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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by oh_sigh on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:39PM (#36171127)
It's not selfish to want the public to be able to enjoy public spaces.
Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by unethical_ban on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:51PM (#36171258)
I think you're on the same page with the person you're responding to.

@shepardrtc said people who get free housing should work for it, and @legitster is saying that it is in the taxpayer's self-interest to spend some taxes housing the unhoused. I took that to mean that a work requirement is secondary to getting them off the street in the first place.

I agree that we should be providing drug recovery mechanisms and promoting a work ethic in people who are long-term houseless, but our options seem to be (leave them on the streets, parks and front lawns of our cities), (put them in prison), or (put them in publicly funded housing ala halfway houses).

First one seems like none of us want it (unless you live in the suburbs and have fled the problem). Second one is too far, and even with good healthcare services, involuntary commitment should only happen for the severely ill. That leaves the third.

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by adamrezich on Friday June 02, 2023 @05:52PM (#36171262)
for some reason many people have stopped caring about the notion of societal trust and cohesion, and even the idea of valuing it as something to be desired and strived for. it's an odd kind of defeatist nihilism, and I've seen it spread year after year.

these are the same people who will scoff when you suggest that stealing from Walmarts or Targets or whatever is wrong. they'll tell you, "dude, shrinkage is a thing, they build the cost of stolen or damaged goods into their budgets. and, anyway, why do you care so much about massive corporations' bottom lines, anyway?" obviously I don't, but I sure do care about living in a place where brazen broad-daylight theft is rare, and not something you see every time you go to the store!

Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by 8f2ab37a-ed6c on Saturday June 03, 2023 @01:19AM (#36173948)
It’s a luxury belief as well, people of wealth don’t need to care about public spaces as much, they have plenty of other options. It hurts the poor the most.