Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by peoplearepeople on Thursday June 01, 2023 @01:52PM
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Depends how many houses there are, if they had 'just enough' then adding any amount of people can cause a large price spike as everyone tries to outbid each other for remaining inventory. The price increases can become sticky as people start joining the market to speculate
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by thatfrenchguy on Thursday June 01, 2023 @02:10PM
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> Also, in the context of Lisbon, I doubt that 16,000 salaried workers [0] could influence the market to that extent in a city of 500,000 people, especially given that digital nomads make, on average, $120,000 [1].
16000 out of 500000 people will definitely move the needle quite a bit in housing, given the small % of people who move every year
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by witchesindublin on Thursday June 01, 2023 @02:15PM
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16,000 digital nomads that need individual housing, in a culture where multiple generations of families live together.
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by manuelabeledo on Thursday June 01, 2023 @03:09PM
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This is nonsense, and definitely not a thing in Portugal.
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by witchesindublin on Thursday June 01, 2023 @04:05PM
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It's famous that the Portuguese and Spanish live with their parents until 30s (increasingly 40s) and usually close to their grand parents.
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by ilyt on Thursday June 01, 2023 @04:42PM
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Isn't that just housing market going to shit ?
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by manuelabeledo on Friday June 02, 2023 @01:52AM
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Because the housing market has been effectively closed to many young people for a couple decades now.
Was the 2008 crisis also caused by digital nomads?
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by arp242 on Thursday June 01, 2023 @06:24PM
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> especially given that digital nomads make, on average, $120,000
Minimum wage in Portugal is about €760/month, or $10,000/year. You're seriously underestimating how much $120k is.
Re:‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for th...
by manuelabeledo on Friday June 02, 2023 @02:11AM
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I think you are overestimating the impact of 16,000 people in a city like Lisbon.
The median salary of a digital nomad is sure lower than $120,000. I don’t have numbers, but I would say it should be closer to $60,000. Average salary in Lisbon is also roughly $48,000.
If locals want to blame someone, perhaps investment banks eating up the available housing stock would be a better target.
I have never heard of this before, and I have a few portuguese friends.
Also, in the context of Lisbon, I doubt that 16,000 salaried workers [0] could influence the market to that extent in a city of 500,000 people, especially given that digital nomads make, on average, $120,000 [1].
It seems to me that digital nomads are the new scapegoats for people who don't like to point their finger inwards.
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20221227111848/https://nomadlist...
[1] https://www.twoticketsanywhere.com/digital-nomad-statistics/