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Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by pxoe on Thursday June 01, 2023 @06:38AM (#36149434)
is the use really all that fair, when thousands, if not millions, of works and artists get their works repurposed into services with "subscriptions" and "usage tokens" and other kinds of monetization, while directly competing with and against those very artists? or will it take until some markets would get completely destroyed and overtaken while people get displaced, for people to wake up and go 'wait, was that really "fair"? what happened?'

and no, im not really arguing against it. fair use can be great. but shit like that, it's really pushing it to its limits on scope and scale of use and commercialization

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Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by jupp0r on Thursday June 01, 2023 @02:32PM (#36155352)
I think societies haven't really determined what is fair in these cases. To give you a counter example: Millions of young artists look at art museums and incorporate what they see and learn into their own art. Creators of the images they look at get nothing from the proceeds young artists end up earning later in their lives. Is this unfair?
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Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by shagie on Thursday June 01, 2023 @03:37PM (#36156252)
It is as equally fair or unfair as humans who do fan art based on other characters or styles that they have seen and studied.

What is the difference between a model creating an infringing work of Iron man when prompted to do so and https://old.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/search?q=%2Bflair%3AF... ?

After all, aren't those images directly competing with the artists of Marvel Studios and the artists who properly license it to create derivative works ( https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/marvel/ )?

If we are going to say that creating images out of models that are training on something, then shouldn't clearly infringing works in the fan art category be handled the same way as they are competing with the very artists and companies who are the rights holders for the images and likenesses of the content?

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