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Re:Why your F# evangelism isn't working by throwaway2037 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @11:48PM (#36134253)
You are the first person I have heard mention the desire to transition from C# to Rust. Usually, it is C++ to Rust, or Java to C#.

    if the tooling would be on par
I am betting person, and I say: "It never will be." It is easy to overlook the importance of better developer tooling. It directly translates into higher developer productivity. Every time I am forced to use a language with worse developer tooling, I am reminded of this performance hit. This is why Microsoft spends so much time and efforts on its developer tools. Also: Better tooling means below average developers can level-up to average. This is most of corporate computing, so a win for the bean counters.

Also: There is not single, commercial, controlling force behind Rust, like Java and DotNet.

Don't interpret this post as anything against Rust. I think it is a brilliant language.

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Re:Why your F# evangelism isn't working by KingMob on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @03:40AM (#36135592)
Agreed, I think people are sleeping on the relative disparities in tooling between langs, and it will only get worse.

I feel this daily as a Clojure programmer. I've been playing with Copilot, and it's astonishing how much worse Copilot is at generating Clojure code, than say, Js. The difference is probably due to training volume, and if AI-assisted coding is worth it at all, the benefits will primarily accrue to the largest languages.

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Re:Why your F# evangelism isn't working by throwaway2037 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @04:12AM (#36135790)
At the office, a teammate and I recently had to write some C# again using Visual Studio. (Normally, we write Python and Java using JetBrains' IntelliJ.) Even then, we could both notice the developer experience was slightly worse in Visual Studio, than IntelliJ. That said, there are lots of nice (new) language features in C# to make-up for the difference!
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Re:Why your F# evangelism isn't working by recfab on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:25PM (#36141888)
In case you haven't seen it already, JetBrains also makes a C# IDE called Rider [0].

Personally, I find the JetBrains IDEs overly complicated. More so than Visual Studio, but that may be familiarity. (Also, I use VSCode for .NET these days so full IDEs feel heavy to me anyway.)

[0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/features/

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