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Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by local_crmdgeon on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:54PM (#36117407)
Would any Chinese commenters like to weigh in here? I'd love a first-person perspective
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by giraffe-flavor on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:53PM (#36118004)
It’s old and not very prevalent. The equivalent in western culture is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_chivalry which is to say that it is seen with rosy-colored glasses.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by bnjms on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:11PM (#36118717)
I think you are mistaken. While people may no longer explicitly speak about it I see in Korean manhwa that the idea of using gifts to obligate a wealthy persons lessers, or being shrewed considering who to accept favors from one’s betters to avoid owing obligations to, is a common theme and understanding it is an automatic assumption for readers. This seems to support that there remains an implied cultural norm.

From the arrticle it sounds like the same thing you’d see within a western church but there it extends more weakly outside the family and ends outside the church.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by escapedmoose on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:22PM (#36119303)
You can also read Western comics about cowboys dueling in shootouts, but that’s not a legitimate or relevant aspect of American culture. Be careful about assumptions drawn from manhwa
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by bnjms on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:15PM (#36119685)
Yes it is relevant. While it’s true that no cultural output can say anything about a culture. Taking many examples can give some insight. I referenced one I believe is exemplary.

The example of western comics is weak since I don’t know there is much of a broad genre of comics in the western style. So comparing to the old western films is more direct to your point and I would infer some small things. As an example, there is an implied belief that killing is okay if it’s in defense of the powerless and vulnerable. And any number of people can be killed in service to protecting the weak.

Any way I’m only observing an implied cultural awareness of the hierarchy described in the article is assumed. Also I suggest comparison to chivalry is poor and a better comparison is to biblical family hierarchy which is still relevant even if popularly ridiculed.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by tomohelix on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:41PM (#36118432)
Some people may say it is old and as important as it once was. But imo that is like saying racism is an old and outdated mode of thinking in the US. It is still there and quite prevalent, but it is more out of sight yet whoever are interested in it still take it quite seriously.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by x-complexity on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:33PM (#36120216)
S.E.A. Chinese here. It definitely exists. Any countering of this via individualism is small, with emotional guilt & baggage primarily being used to reinforce obedience towards the family hierarchy, along with the occasional slap/beating for disobedience/talkback.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by cj17382 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:50AM (#36121238)
This is still very much a thing, but the degree of adherence varies depending on the family. I know people that don't follow it, but I also know people who pay part of their income to their elders & some voluntarily invite their otherwise healthy parents to live with them.

I personally think it's a good thing to take care of your parents within reasonable boundaries. However, I don't think the current social structure provides a good framework for this. We don't live in the same village compound in modern times, afterall.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by ahzhou on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:20PM (#36130167)
It’s like saying that the root of western culture lies in Greek philosophy or Judeo-Christian traditions. It’s not totally inaccurate, but the realities of life and modernity means that it is an oversimplification of something that is complex and living.

It is useful context, however, just as studying Socrates is useful context for understanding Western thought.