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Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by carschno on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:48AM (#36112354)
> What is the real criterion for a machine to be considered intelligent?

This is actually the core of the debate. The answer is that there is no real criterion because we do not understand intelligence. Or, put differently, the one-dimensional understanding of intelligence we typically entertain is a simplification.

This is very inconvenient so we just pretend intelligence was a well-defined concept. That in turn leads to all kinds of confusion and pointless arguments as you have pointed out.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by palata on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:19AM (#36112493)
You mean IQ tests are not meaningful? Many will be disappointed :).
Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by melagonster on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:34AM (#36112577)
this is a famous common misunderstanding, people is trying to stop it spread, but the work is difficult.
Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by lamp987 on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:25AM (#36112899)
They strongly predict various other things, therefore they are meaningful.

Them being imperfect does not imply them being meaningless. That would be a low-IQ leap in logic, so to speak.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by belorn on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:29AM (#36112931)
While there is not definitive criterion for intelligent there is a lot of intuition. For example, I can find a book to be very intelligently written, but at the same time the book itself is not intelligent. No matter how clever answers it has to complicated questions, the book is still just an inanimate object created by a human. The definition of intelligence has to be stretched quite far in order to bypass our intuition on this.

We see similar situations when people anthropomorphize animals, or ask questions like do plants have feelings. Biology research can look at neurons and DNA sequences and find all kind of similarities to humans, but it still requires a bit of a jump when we start applying human philosophy concepts to non-humans.

I find it easier to look at it as metaphors. ChatGPT has intelligence similar to how the planet has an intelligence , or how the internet is like a brain with every single connected device their neurons.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by pulvinar on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:39AM (#36112978)
Is the average human intelligent? If I had to choose between an average human or GPT4 to help me with my work, I would choose GPT4.

Seems many people think of intelligence like they think of magic. Once they learn how the trick is done, it’s no longer magic.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by skepticATX on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:54AM (#36113472)
Are you sure about that?

GPT-4 falls apart on many tasks that humans find trivial, such as planning.

Intelligence is multi-faceted and quite frankly the average technologists understanding of human cognition is quite poor. Intelligence is not just information retrieval.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by pulvinar on Monday May 29, 2023 @02:13PM (#36116431)
I'm sure, because I specifically chose GPT-4 because of its intelligence. Otherwise it wouldn't be of use to me-- I already have a slew of tools and sources available, but it takes more than that to pick out just the right solution and present it.

It also quite good at planning its replies, that I see.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by laratied on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:19AM (#36113224)
IMO we first need to clean up our language and precisely define the word intelligence so we all know what we are even talking about.

I would imagine we actually understand intelligence but in ordinary language it is a placeholder for a number of different meanings and concepts.

Same problem with "consciousness", same problem with "sentience".

I think when we say we don't understand these words it is really that they can't be understood as they are used in ordinary language because they can't objectively mean all the values people assign to these words.

In the face of AI, why would we not have to further define and expand our language for communication purposes? That actually seems obvious if you think about it for 2 seconds.

Re:AI will slightly drain the swamp of higher ed by JdeBP on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:09AM (#36113595)
"sentience" has an additional problem that science fiction authors conflate it with "sapience".

I suspect that some influential science fiction editor made a mistake early on and it stuck. Outwith science fiction, I've less commonly come across the conflation, and people generally use the dictionary meanings, more in accord with the Latin roots, of "sentient" meaning being capable of sensation/feeling and "sapient" meaning being capable of intelligent thought.