> There is no difference between an ideal world and real laws when the laws actually exist.

If you're not capable of understanding what a hypothetical is then there's really no further discussion to be had here.

Hypotheticals get thrown out the window when an actual law exists. I agree there's no further discussion to be had but not for the reasons you think.

That's still not how hypotheticals work, nor does it have any bearing on the original argument I was making.

You've managed to not read my original post, and have been doubling down by pretending that "well what about vasectomies" was a core problem or even oversight.

What hypothetical? The one where men can turn off reproduction? Congrats, that already exists. The one where laws are made around the ability to do so? Congratu-fucking-lations. It exists.

There is no hypothetical when the things being discussed already exist. That's not how hypotherticals work.

Next time, don't have a shit argument that can be broken down in a heartbeat and then whine about your precious hypotheticals not being respected.

> This is relatively new; previously Visa/MC prevented their merchants from doing this but it changed recently.

Not that it is the biggest point in this chain of people arguing badly past each other, but you have confused “hypothetical” (which assumes a condition independent of what is true in reality) vs. “counterfactual” (which assumes a condition contrary to what is true in reality).

Gotta love replying to a thread you had nothing to do with with both an incorrect quote and a definition that isn’t accepted by most major dictionaries.

That’s like peak “I know what I’m talking about” material.