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Re:Why I Left Rust by auggierose on Sunday May 28, 2023 @11:58AM (#36105195)
The solution is to pick better leaders. This should never have happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go.
Re:Why I Left Rust by nindalf on Sunday May 28, 2023 @02:43PM (#36106623)
You must be fun at incident review. "The solution is to hire better engineers. Our root cause analysis shows that this should have never happened in the first place. Whoever is responsible for this needs to go."
Re:Why I Left Rust by riwsky on Sunday May 28, 2023 @10:20PM (#36109874)
You’re missing the distinction here between incompetence and malice. One member of leadership acted maliciously; the fact that they were successful indicates that leadership as a whole was missing some controls (formal or otherwise). The latter party is analogous to whichever engineer accidentally brought down prod, whom our post-mortems should not blame—but the former is not.

If some dirtbag got angry about being passed over for a promotion, got offers for a new gig, and then rage-deleted prod at 5pm on their last day, you get to blame that dude at the post-mortem.

Re:Why I Left Rust by nindalf on Monday May 29, 2023 @01:29AM (#36110968)
I agree with everything you said. I think you meant to write this to the other person. They kept trying to blame the entirety of leadership for a leadership failure and suggests “picking better leaders”.

I, like you, suggested that the process needs to be improved but I’m not sure how.

Re:Why I Left Rust by riwsky on Monday May 29, 2023 @11:56AM (#36115130)
Ahhhhhh, legit, sorry. I’d read “whoever is responsible for this needs to go” as referring to only the malicious party—but “better leaders” does indeed suggest the GP wants multiple heads to roll.
Re:Why I Left Rust by auggierose on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:54PM (#36117406)
You read it right the first time. I am just referring to the malicious party. By saying "better leaders" I mean get rid of the malicious part of your leadership. That will result in a better leadership, thus "better leaders". I must admit, maybe I am expressing myself a bit too mathematical here.
Re:Why I Left Rust by auggierose on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:47AM (#36111705)
If the incident review shows that it is due to sabotage, how would you deal with the responsible person?
Re:Why I Left Rust by CRConrad on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:36AM (#36289231)
And how can what they did – presenting their own decision to other organisations or levels of their own organisation as if it were the legitimate “Leadership” consensus decision – how could that be anything other than a conscious and intentional act on their part, i.e, to use your term, “sabotage”? It's not like it could somehow be an accident, is it? “Oops, I slipped and fell onto my keyboard and these somewhat coherent and grammatically correct e-mails went out”?

Of-fucking-course it was sabotage, and of course they should be fired as all hell.