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Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by pilaf on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:19AM (#36094124)
That doesn't sound right, 4000 tons is more than 10 times the maximum takeoff weight of a 777.
Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by alhw on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:30AM (#36094190)
Jet fuel is comprised mostly of hydrocarbons with 8 to 16 C atoms, and a large fraction of these hydrocarbons are straight-chain alkanes.

Combustion of dodecane (a C12 straight-chain alkane) makes 12 CO2 molecules. A 747 jet consumes about 4 L of jet fuel per second when in flight. Based on the density and molecular weight of dodecane and the stoichiometry of its combustion reaction, you'd arrive at something like 0.01 ton of CO2 emitted per second of flight time.

4000 tons is a good estimate.

Back of the envelope...

Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by mabbo on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:38AM (#36094250)
Ah, so you're saying (if I'm reading this correctly) that the plane only carries the carbon portion of the CO2, and the oxygen comes from the air itself. That's how it's emitting more CO2 then it's fuel mass.

Is that right?

Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by Tuxer on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:48AM (#36094348)
Correct. Fuel is around 16/36th of the CO2 mass it emit when being burnt. A 777 carries around 120 tons of fuel for a SF/LON flight, so that's around 300 tons of emissions per flight.
Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by jackweirdy on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:30AM (#36094185)
It looks about right to me (I used https://www.atmosfair.de/en/offset/flight/)

It’s about 850 US tons per full leg * 4 legs to make up the two round trips

(388 pax in a -300ER)

Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by coderenegade on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:31AM (#36094192)
You have to account for the mass of the oxygen that gets bonded to the carbon in the jet fuel to form CO2. i.e. most of the mass is coming from atmospheric oxygen, not what the aircraft is carrying onboard.
Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by pilaf on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:37AM (#36094246)
TIL, thanks for the explanation.
Re:Direct air capture: our technology to capture CO₂ by A1kmm on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:46AM (#36094329)
I tried calculating it two ways to see.

Firstly, based off two full fuel tanks for a 777. Apparently a 777-200 has a 117350 L fuel tank, and the density of jet fuel is approximately 800 g / L.

The emitted carbon dioxide combines oxygen from the air with carbon from the jet fuel. Apparently the average chain length is 12, so it would be C_12H_10 for a straight hydrocarbon.

Factoring in the molecular masses, the amount of CO2 from two full tanks would be: (12 * 12.011 + 212.01115.999) / (1.0080 * 10 + 12 * 12.011) * 117350 * 800 * 2/ 1E6 = 643 tonnes.

Now, they might not use the full tank. Another estimate is that long haul flights use about 0.1 g / passenger / km. Apparently it is 4308 km in a straight line from SF to London, and a 777 seats about 350 people depending on the configuration, so multiplying by 2 for a return trip comes out at 302 tonnes of CO2 (that's probably an underestimate since it is a straight line).

So I think 4000 tonnes is an overestimate (and they said tons, which is even more than a metric tonne, at 4480), but the emissions of such a flight is still significant (and the global warming impact is higher because combustion also disperses water, which also has a warming effect at that altitude).