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Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by acdha on Friday May 26, 2023 @11:21AM (#36085337)
Just to echo what other people said, the people who put American citizens of Japanese descent into prison camps were unambiguously bigots, and a lot of that was based on people wanting to assert that the United States was for white people (contrast with the much softer treatment of American citizens who were ethnically German and Italian).

The fact that some of the political leaders who approved that did other things doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold them accountable for a venal act – I would argue the contrary since they’re otherwise praised and it’s important to remember that our heroes are not perfect and should not be copied without improvement. One can make similar statements about how, for example, programs like social security or the GI bill were both good for many people of lower class backgrounds but also carefully designed and implemented to benefit black people less than white people.

Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by mixmastamyk on Friday May 26, 2023 @01:22PM (#36087108)
> softer treatment

Those countries didn’t attack directly in full force like the IJN did, by orders of magnitude. They sunk a few supply ships in international waters aiding their enemies.

There’s also the Niihau incident, which directly informed the response.

Truth is folks then had a tiny fraction of information that we have today—including hindsight. It’s unclear you would do any better in the same circumstances.

Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by acdha on Friday May 26, 2023 @02:11PM (#36087746)
Yes, Japan struck first - nobody’s arguing that. My point is that after the United States was formally at war with all of the Axis powers, every American citizen of Japanese descent was forced into prison camps and significant financial loss. That didn’t even happen to all of the German or Italian citizens in the United States at the time, much less American citizens with roots in those countries.

(Also, a few supply ships is whitewashing somewhat – hundreds of Americans traveling on civilian vessels were killed by the German navy and there were dozens of American flagged ships sunk prior to Pearl Harbor. No, not what the Japanese navy did but more than enough to have served as grounds for war if the US wasn’t trying so strenuously to stay out.)

Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by mixmastamyk on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:35PM (#36089778)
(Was thinking of ships near the US East coast. If you have passenger ships entering a war zone, well then it was understood there were risks.)

The point I was trying to get at was that if you were faced with the same life-threatening decisions you'd likely decide the same. And if different it would only because of random chance. Not because you are smarter or more virtuous than FDR & Cabinet.

Shit, Truman had to decide to drop a nuke on the basis it would save more lives in the long run—with incomplete information. I don't envy those decisions at all.