George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp

Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by Larrikin on Friday May 26, 2023 @10:57AM (#36085039)

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson helped found the US and gave the world ideas of democracy. They also both owned slaves, imagined democracy as just for white male landowners, and under nearly any modern interpretation of the power dynamic Thomas Jefferson raped and fathered children with his slaves.

Maybe we should stop pretending these people who did some good things for the country were perfect gods. You can praise their accomplishments while still pointing out their flaws.

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Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by s1artibartfast on Friday May 26, 2023 @12:04PM (#36085956)

I think there is also a obsession with presentism and applying modern morals to the past. It is almost as if the point of historical study is to sit in judgement, opposed to understand how the world worked and changed.

Ask most people what the defining characteristics or deeds of Washington of Jefferson and they respond with the points above.

Are those the most impactful or noteworthy characteristics of those individuals? I don't think so. Perhaps they are interesting context for understanding their other deeds or the human condition, but certainly not the primary impact they had on history.

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Re:George Takei recalls his childhood in an internment camp by George83728 on Friday May 26, 2023 @01:36PM (#36087295)

I've never met anybody who thinks FDR was a "perfect god". Abe or Washington, sure, but no such personality cult exists for FDR. So what are you even responding to? I have not criticized anybody for pointing out FDR's flaws (which were numerous and are widely acknowledged.)

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