Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by shpx on Thursday May 25, 2023 @02:52PM
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I care. I want to learn the entire thing I'm using, which means I appreciate things that are simpler and faster to learn. You can say I am a stupid or irrational person not worthy of consideration for wanting this but I am who I am and I want to spend money on computers that cater to me.
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Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by tedunangst on Thursday May 25, 2023 @04:42PM
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Do you want a computer architecture that replaces and obsoletes everything you've previously learned or one that evolves and adds new features on top?
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by solarmist on Thursday May 25, 2023 @07:21PM
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Either depending on the situation.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by bdamm on Thursday May 25, 2023 @04:49PM
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Then you are obviously running OpenBSD on ARM.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by jacquesm on Thursday May 25, 2023 @05:21PM
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In that case you should probably not look at x86 at all. It's one of the most convoluted architectures out there, especially because it lugs all of that legacy stuff along.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by phendrenad2 on Thursday May 25, 2023 @05:26PM
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When people say "who cares?" they generally mean "what non-vanishingly-small percentage of people care?" and I think that's still an unanswered question!
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by citrin_ru on Thursday May 25, 2023 @06:01PM
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It very similar to chip die space - modern technologies are so complex that to learn how 8086 works is a very small effort compare to learning how the latest intel CPUs work. And emulation of older generations is a small part of this complexity.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by nneonneo on Thursday May 25, 2023 @07:14PM
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I'd argue that 16-bit mode is conceptually more complicated than modern 64-bit modes, at least for userspace. 64-bit mode has a single flat address space (FS/GS are just opaque offsets into this address space), memory-mapped I/O, and a single system call trap instruction. 16-bit mode has segmentation, I/O ports, multiple trap instructions (and call gates!), address space wraparound...
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by shpx on Friday May 26, 2023 @03:01AM
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Learning useful things is fun, learning useless things is unpleasant, so in some sense it's more effort.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by citrin_ru on Friday May 26, 2023 @03:38AM
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While working on not always pleasant stuff at paid job as a hobby I sometimes learn 'useless' stuff from the past. For me on average old technologies looks simpler (though not without quirks) and more interesting to learn while modern ones often look over-complicated.
Just to clarify - I don't think that Intel should retain 16bit mode, but don't think removing it would make a big difference.