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Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by bityard on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:04AM (#36059137)
> The thing no one tells you is that it's brutal on your body. It'll break down after a time.

I hear surprisingly often here on HN that manual labor and working in the trades ruins your body over decades due to over-exertion. But I also read that sitting in a chair staring at a screen for 8-10 hours a day ruins your body over decades due to under-exertion.

So I am left wondering who is right.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by hacoo on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:38AM (#36059608)
Both are right, they just mess you up in different ways.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by michaelt on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:24AM (#36059406)
A programmer who wants more physical exertion can drop by the gym or go for a run a few times a week, to keep healthy.

A bathroom fitter who wants less physical exertion, though? Ain't nobody else going to haul that 700 lbs pallet of tiles or that awkward ass bathtub up that staircase.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by tomjakubowski on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @12:04PM (#36060021)
the bathroom fitter's problem may be imbalanced exertion, emphasizing the same movements over time without complementary moves can cause injury as well
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by sixstringtheory on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:05PM (#36063237)
Probably, but a problem here is that a bathroom fitter might not have the time or energy to do that. Especially if they’re still trying to live a life outside of work with family and friends and hobbies. And getting injured at the gym doesn’t help you get to work the next day.

I worked in kitchens for years and as much as I also wanted to hit the gym I didn’t have it in me after 12+ hour shifts. I had several family members in older generations who did various types of manual labor and saw what it did to their bodies.

As much as I bitch about the state of the software industry and some of my coworkers, I know better than to throw that baby out with the bathwater. We have it really good.

Then again, if someone doesn’t have any first hand experience with any of this, maybe it would be good to go get some perspective.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by navbaker on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @11:24AM (#36059400)
The difference is that there are small things and changes in your routine you can do to counteract those negative effects of sitting at a desk. You can’t do the same with a manual labor job.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by yourapostasy on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @02:49PM (#36062425)
> So I am left wondering who is right.

They're both right.

However, "sitting in a chair staring at a screen for 8-10 hours a day" in this conversation stands in for "classic HN programming job". In that context, it still gives you a choice to take bodyweight exercise breaks in brief moments during the day and over noontime lunch (if you follow Huberman Lab's "don't start eating until 2 pm" advice), and working out afterwards.

The other part overlooked in this thread about manual labor beyond the over-exertion already touched upon is many people build overtime into their assumed lifestyle and pay expectations. It is part of the culture, and it accelerates the wear and tear on bodies. Also perniciously schedule traps people into not enough time to work out even assuming they had the energy to do so.

Also, in many industries it is still somewhat uncommon to find employers and employees who take PPE seriously. Welding is notorious for such a culture if you find yourself in a shop that specializes in welding (independents get to set their own standards, but a distressingly high number of them still don't take it seriously). There is even a perverse machismo associated with cavalier PPE attitudes in some shops.

You can work manual labor, get paid a lot, and not wreck your body. In both cases, you have to be very discerning about what to accept is "normal" for your industry and yourself, and accordingly set your boundaries.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone switched from a professional job to a ... by c37d8bc on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:06PM (#36063247)
The distribution in manual labor includes major catastrophic injury. I'm 28, work in landscaping: the second day of this season I fell through a metal grate and was lucky to not snap my leg. I passed out at work last year due to dehydration/exhaustion after nicking my leg with a pair of electric hedge trimmers; it could have been much worse.

There's quite a few engineers I know that are fat and unshapely, and that likely takes a toll on their health, but I doubt any of them encounter daily situations where they're at decent chance of being maimed.