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Re:Don't Use VPN Services by skissane on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @06:54PM (#36051865)
Valid argument for using a VPN: you are better off being spied on by a government on the other side of the planet rather than your own.

Your own government can very easily do things to harm you, like throw you in prison or allow private actors to use tort/defamation/etc law to destroy you financially. A government on the other side of the planet - especially a country which doesn’t get along with your own - has far less motivation to do so. Your local ISP has to comply with local government and court orders - a VPN provider on the other side of the planet may have zero motivation for doing so. They’d have to comply with their own country’s orders, but their government/courts may lack the motivation to do that for your country’s government/courts

Re:Don't Use VPN Services by pdimitar on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @07:02PM (#36051933)
Yep, that's my main motivator. Recently my country started getting cozy in bed with copyright enforcers that have very nervous fingers on the trigger. It's only a matter of short time before I need a VPN or even Tor to do something as innocent as reading a science paper.

I wish them luck chasing after their citizens connecting to local websites from Kazakhstan or Chile etc., heh.

Re:Don't Use VPN Services by lilsoso on Thursday May 25, 2023 @11:44AM (#36072231)
For Americans, that would probably increase your exposure. They can legally spy on their own people via foreign governments.

This is well documented, see for example the first result I found: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/19/...

Ditto for Europeans.

Re:Don't Use VPN Services by skissane on Friday May 26, 2023 @08:27PM (#36090975)
> For Americans, that would probably increase your exposure

For criminal matters, possibly yes, depending on the circumstances.

For civil matters, arguably not. The US government can ask a foreign government to spy on you, but the results of the spying can't be admitted in a civil lawsuit. Whereas, an American ISP, the plaintiff can get a subpoena, the ISP has to comply, and the evidence is admissible in court. Also, with a civil lawsuit, even if it is possible for the plaintiff to get an order from a foreign court, the added difficulty and expense may make them decide to abandon the suit altogether.

> They can legally spy on their own people via foreign governments.

What if you used a Russian VPN company with a server in Russia? Of course, merely signing up for such a thing is likely to attract the attention of intelligence agencies. But, if the US government asks the Russian government to spy on you, I doubt the Russian government is going to say "yes", unless you are something like a terrorist.