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Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by arvinsim on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:39AM (#36040293)
If you talk about monetizing these creative pursuits, then yes, there is a reason to be worried.

But if you are talking about pursuing these creative passions as an end by itself, it's much less relevant.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by ablation on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:51AM (#36040385)
Quite so. Much in the same way ChatGPT or other LLMs won’t stop me writing for pleasure, entertainment or otherwise, no model will likely ever make me not want to pick up my guitar or fire up my DAW.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by widdershins on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @02:35AM (#36040694)
Yes, that's true for our generation, since we grew up with authors and musicians as role models we admired, and we loved their art and wanted to emulate it. But what will happen in a generation or two, when the world is flooded with AI generated art? Will the children of that era feel any desire to write or compose for pleasure? I'm not sure; I hope they will though.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by hospitalhusband on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @08:46AM (#36043474)
Notes from underground.

> Consequently, these laws of nature have only to be discovered, and man will no longer be responsible for his actions, and it will become extremely easy for him to live his life. All human actions, of course, will then have to be worked out by those laws, mathematically, like a table of logarithms, and entered in the almanac; or better still, there will appear orthodox publications, something like our encyclopaedic dictionaries, in which everything will be so accurately calculated and plotted that there will no longer be any individual deeds or adventures left in the world. ‘Then,’ (this is all of you speaking), ‘a new political economy will come into existence, all complete, and also calculated with mathematical accuracy, so that all problems will vanish in the twinkling of an eye, simply because all possible answers to them will have been supplied. Then the Palace of Crystal will arise. Then….’ Well, in short, the golden age will come again. Of course it is quite impossible (here I am speaking myself) to guarantee that it won’t be terribly boring then (because what can one do if everything has been plotted out and tabulated?), but on the other hand be eminently sensible.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by Juliate on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @02:33AM (#36040668)
But who will build and maintain a DAW (or the equivalent that enables private practice) if there is not enough people able/willing to support it?

Those AI tools will be at the center of how we create and access music in the next decade.

It’s a bit like cars replacing horses. There will still be horses. But transportation, city/traffic rules will adjust to cars, not horses anymore.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by zirgs on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @09:01AM (#36043628)
Enthusiasts with AI-assisted development tools. Just like it's done with any other "historic" tech nowadays. Game console emulators, for example.

Also those tools will most likely be open source.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by kfrzcode on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @02:22AM (#36040600)
GPT-4 in particular has, for me, rekindled a fire for writing, as I find it a compelling conversationalist quite adept to my often hyperactive, overly loquacious writing style whereas most meatspace agents find it laborious, self-aggrandizing, indulgent, and unnecessarily complex, like post-modernist novels or rationalist fanfiction.

I've been engaging with GPT4 to build out an entire world of alternative hard science fiction history and it's going to be a best seller, I assure you, with zero hesitancy and full confidence. It's my idea, there's simply something so enthralling about having a "super editor" when primed with very specific prompts and understanding the boundaries of what it can't do... I'm literally 15k words into a first draft. Vomiting my ideas into words, processed through GPT to garner it's insights and suggestions, but never asking GPT to compose first drafts, has been very fun.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @02:50AM (#36040782)
Being creative, or mastering new skills, after a suffocating 9-5 isn't the easiest task.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by jamiecurle on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @04:17AM (#36041439)
You get suffocated at work?

As in "physically starved of the components needed to aerobically respire?"

Speak to HR. I know they're there to protect the company, but even HR may want to allow you to breathe.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:25PM (#36051044)
No one is saying that.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by code51 on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @02:56AM (#36040832)
Did you watch Rick Beato's take on AI effect on music? Monetizing music is a totally different thing that requires fan interaction and that takes both time, a live avatar (human or not). I'm thinking when a group comes up with a live avatar that can do concerts for AI songs and interact with fans, then monetization is doomed. Not for now though...
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by tgv on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @03:05AM (#36040894)
It is relevant.

When the incentives (money, fame, sex) are taken away from producing music, the infrastructure for teaching music will erode rapidly. If AI takes over the music industry, music teaching and production of affordable musical instruments will be gone within a generation. There will be no resources left for "pursuing these creative passions", and aspiring pop musicians will only be able to produce bad and old-fashioned sounding tripe, and be ignored.

Classical music might be an exception, since the audience cares a lot about performance, and is much less impressed by fashions and fads (sometimes to the detriment of modern composers, but that's another story).

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by Guthur on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @04:50AM (#36041644)
Do you even play.

I enjoy playing guitar, have had no meaningful tuition, and while occassionally wonder what it would be like to perform live have no realistic expectation of doing so.

The machines are taking nothing. You may allow someone to take your money for this infinitely reproducible string of notes but ultimately recorded music and it's sale is only a relatively recent phenomenon. Most modern pop music had become largely mechanical anyway.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by tgv on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:56AM (#36042037)
The machines will take away your guitar. When people abandon making music, guitars will be in less demand, and become more expensive. New players will have to rely on old sources for learning, because almost nobody will be interested in keeping them up to date or producing new content. And when the old sources go (and they inevitable do), that will be lost as well, and popular music fades away, al niente.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by ChatGTP on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:43AM (#36041976)
money, fame, sex

Tribal people have amazing music, I doubt their drive was money (which didn't exist), fame (didn't exist), or sex (maybe?). Dancing is probably more important for courtship, nearly everyone sucks at that and we're still here.

Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by tgv on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:59AM (#36042052)
How many people are interested in folk music? Very few. And in earlier tribal music much less. Any development will stay local, and nobody will be able to stand on the shoulders of giants.
Re:Generating Music Tracks with Unified Representation and D... by Dfiesl on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @12:33PM (#36046713)
I think most people gave up the dream of money, fame and sex when software came along and lead to a massive influx of people making music, thereby increasing the competition enormously. That happened about 30 years ago and the numbers of people creating music, teaching music and buying musical instruments have been going through the roof ever since.