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Re:AI knows things no one told it by lucubratory on Monday May 22, 2023 @06:27PM (#36037478)
LLMs can pass novel theory of mind tests, which is what we're talking about. The whole point of good tests is you invent or withhold new ones it has never seen before and test it on them. You said "Those tasks could be completed a [sic] traditional static program.", and no, they can't. You're incorrect.
Re:AI knows things no one told it by mike741 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:41PM (#36063610)
Passing a ToM test is not what OP meant by having an "underlying theory of mind."

> The whole point of good tests is you invent or withhold new ones it has never seen before and test it on them

Then the Library of Babel must be really good at these tests, because it's never seen anything and yet has every answer.

> You said "Those tasks could be completed a [sic] traditional static program.", and no, they can't. You're incorrect.

They can, a static program as I described would indeed answer that one question correctly, resulting in a positive ToM score, without seeing any training data whatsoever. Did the programmer see it? Maybe, but it would pass the test regardless.

Re:AI knows things no one told it by lucubratory on Thursday May 25, 2023 @11:42PM (#36079558)
If you have put the answer into the program then by definition you had the test available to you when you finalised the program, which means it is definitionally not a novel test.
Re:AI knows things no one told it by mike741 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @06:34PM (#36108430)
The test is novel to the program, just not its programmer. So are we testing the program or are we actually testing its programmer? If we're testing the program, then the programmer's foreknowledge is irrelevant.
Re:AI knows things no one told it by lucubratory on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:37AM (#36111654)
>The test is novel to the program

That's funny, I thought you said the test's answer was embedded into the program, making it definitionally not novel to the program.

Anyway, this is boring. You've had five or more opportunities to understand what the word "novel" means in an ML testing context and are choosing wilful obtuseness instead.

Re:AI knows things no one told it by mike741 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @07:27PM (#36235107)
> in an ML testing context

OP was not speaking in the ML testing context, hence the misunderstanding.