Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on Earth

Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by chocolatkey on Sunday May 21, 2023 @06:22AM (#36019520)

I apologize for the somewhat off-topic nature off this comment, but it really irritates me when I see the website for a product with competition, go to their sitemap, and see this blatant SEO gaming. For example, I went to their FAQ (https://www.dragonflydb.io/faq) expecting things about their database, instead I get a bunch of copycat answers to weird questions intended to drive traffic to their site when people ask questions about other databases. I see many application sites doing this nowadays, and it makes me not want to use them. I imagine with GPT this is very easy to generate now

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by Veen on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:14AM (#36019764)

> I imagine with GPT this is very easy to generate now

That's exactly what they are doing, but if they had any brains, they'd have a human read the answers before they publish:

https://www.dragonflydb.io/faq/is-memcached-good

> As an AI language model, I am unable to make subjective judgments on whether Memcached is "good" or not. However, I can provide information about the features, benefits, and limitations of Memcached.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by boundlessdreamz on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:23AM (#36019811)

This is tragically funny.

If the dragon fly devs are reading this, stop this nonsense seo gaming. This makes me trust your db less and cheapens everything that you stand for.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:39AM (#36019915)

We are reading this and we will fix it shortly.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by dangoodmanUT on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:04AM (#36020049)

Seems to be fixed

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by viraptor on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:19AM (#36020137)

It's... patched up to avoid embarrassment. It will be fixed when they remove the SEO spam.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by SargeDebian on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:15AM (#36020113)

You removed the specific answer but did not address the underlying problem that this thread is about.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by SahAssar on Sunday May 21, 2023 @09:57AM (#36020912)

Is your definition of fixing to remove the most obvious indicators that you autogrenerated spam or actually removing the spam?

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by dangoodmanUT on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:04AM (#36020053)

Why should I trust someone with my data that can't even manage this lmao

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @09:58AM (#36020926)

Because we focus on building the most awesome datastore and you should decide whether you prefer having your store designed by good marketeers or good engineers.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by detaro on Sunday May 21, 2023 @11:33AM (#36021976)

"Willing to take shortcuts of questionable ethics" is not a sign of a good engineer either. EDIT: ah, and now I see you also defending your shitty benchmarks downthread. Yeah, no, that's not how you gain trust.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by white_dragon88 on Monday May 22, 2023 @10:17PM (#36039016)

Tone deaf and arrogant. As a ‘good engineer’ I also know that my website is part of my image and I should be taking care in handling it just as much as I do with my product implementation.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by avinassh on Sunday May 21, 2023 @10:48AM (#36021483)

Is that a valid reason to asses a tech product? Does it matter how good or bad they are content and SEO?

From this bad episode alone, how can we judge if they are bad at keeping the data safe/secure?

I am trying to remember when I last checked Redis' or Clickhouse's homepage or other pages on their site. I only care about their documentation pages and if they deliver what they are promising.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by captn3m0 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:16AM (#36020120)

Fixed, but still on Google Cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:U1XttD...

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by spacechild1 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @03:18PM (#36023908)

Wow, this is really embarassing. I'm a bit shocked that they thought it is ok to autogenerate a FAQ with an AI. It's dishonest and irresponsible.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by prakis on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:26AM (#36019825)

Its a bit surprising, the faq is all about Redis and other tools but not about Dragonfly.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:38AM (#36019909)

You are absolutely right, and I apologize for having this experience. SEO is part of the game, but it should not be in FAQ section.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by r1ch on Sunday May 21, 2023 @07:58AM (#36020012)

This is the kind of thing that I hope search engines will penalize you for. You're treading a very fine line between "SEO" and outright deception.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by SahAssar on Sunday May 21, 2023 @09:56AM (#36020898)

They are not threading the line. This is outright autogenerated spam.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @11:14AM (#36021804)

This is definition of spam: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam To the best of my knowledge this page was not sent to anyone.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by inhumantsar on Sunday May 21, 2023 @11:27AM (#36021922)

We all know that the definition has expanded in recent years to include low-effort or bot-generated content being flogged on social media (eg: one of Reddit's report options is "spam") and in search results.

Either way, if you want to keep a positive image going, don't take internet comments personally. Just incorporate the feedback and make changes if you feel it's warranted.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by SahAssar on Sunday May 21, 2023 @11:22AM (#36021885)

Spam in the context of SEO clearly means something more similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamdexing or unhelpful/dishonest/unrelated content that is just there for ranking.

Are you disputing that the FAQ page tries to rank your site higher by having autogenerated answers to questions your site is not authoritative on? Are any of the questions on the FAQ actually written or meant to be read by a human?

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by Nevermark on Sunday May 21, 2023 @11:42AM (#36022073)

After being caught behaving badly, a debate about the proper terminology for your lapse in ethical judgment is not a winning move.

It might suggest that your perspectives and priorities are still wonky.

I would prioritize immediately and permanently removing the material and the practice, over posting questionable whataboutism arguments vs. spam.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @12:14PM (#36022379)

1. We removed the FAQ page 2. You are right, I need to shut the fuck up and let self-righteous hn crowd with torches do what they do best - find a weakness, and push it until they get bored and switch to beat another builder. You asked me about my perspectives and priorities? These are my priorities: https://github.com/dragonflydb/dragonfly/graphs/contributors 3. The first thing I did was on this thread was to apologize for having FAQ with such content.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by SahAssar on Sunday May 21, 2023 @01:00PM (#36022785)

The best thing about showing anything to others is seeing things about it that you didn't see before. That can be flaws or a hidden gem, but either way you know more about what you have than you did before. You might feel that the focus on the FAQ page was irrelevant and irritating but it gave you feedback on something that at least a few people found relevant about your marketing. Even if you feel like it was just "find a weakness, and push it" I still hope you understand that you got something out of it and hopefully feel OK with that.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by romange on Sunday May 21, 2023 @01:05PM (#36022832)

Absolutely. And I am sorry I reacted this way.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by Veen on Sunday May 21, 2023 @12:24PM (#36022477)

That's not Google's definition of search spam, as I suspect you will soon find out.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by OPoncz on Sunday May 21, 2023 @02:43PM (#36023653)

All, My name is Oded Poncz, I am the CEO of DragonflyDB. Our goal with the FAQ was to aggragate valuable information for our community. We will take all the valuable feedback from this thread and improve. Thank you all for the feedback.

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by wcdolphin on Monday May 22, 2023 @01:11AM (#36027692)

Is there a timeline for a clustered, HA and horizontally scaled version?

The vertical scaling and performance seem extremely interesting, but for our use cases we need HA.

From a business perspective I’m interested to hear about the plans. Will there be a per core licensing fee of some sort?

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by OPoncz on Monday May 22, 2023 @03:10AM (#36028342)

HA already supported since v1.0. Dragonfly is released under BSL1.1. Its free for use in most cases. https://www.dragonflydb.io/docs/about/faq

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Re:Dragonfly – The most performant in-memory data store on E... by spacechild1 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @03:11PM (#36023848)

Strange, your link to the FAQ gives me a 404, but existing links to specific FAQ sections, posted in the comments below, still work. On the website I can only find this: https://www.dragonflydb.io/docs/about/faq. Maybe they took down the original FAQ?

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