Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud

Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by phpisthebest on Friday May 19, 2023 @09:36AM (#36001764)

Yes here we are, Here we are were the majority have self selected to live in the way I prefer, but people want to use government violence (i.e regulation) to force people to live in a manner they did not self select.

I have no problems if people want to create something voluntarily that is walkable, I have massive problems with using government to do it.

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Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by elieri on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:33AM (#36002470)

Is it not equal "government violence," then, to make illegal buildings without a certain number of parking spaces attached, or that take up more than a certain percentage of the lot area, or have more than a certain number of units, or would add a café or corner store to a residential zone? Your preferred development patterns are the government-enforced ones, currently.

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Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by phpisthebest on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:48AM (#36002621)

I prefer no zoning at all, so yes requiring parking is equally bad as requiring walkablity

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Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by boron1006 on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:36AM (#36002503)

What are you talking about? We are in this position precisely because of government regulation prioritizing cars. Most of American cities are still only zoned for SFH within the city limits. It’s nearly impossible to build in any other way because of regulation. Not to mention the many many subsidies for the auto industry.

The thing that frustrates me most about libertarians is how everything they don’t want is regulation or government spending, but everything they do want is provided by the grace of god or something.

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Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by yamtaddle on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:08AM (#36002862)

> Here we are were the majority have self selected to live in the way I prefer,

Not everyone who lives the "way you prefer" wants it.

It's just the only place that decent-or-better public schools are, in a lot of US cities.

Everything else about the 'burbs sucks. Worst parts of country and city living, none of the benefits of either. Terrible.

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Re:Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud by david-gpu on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:40AM (#36003219)

> I prefer, but people want to use government violence (i.e regulation) to force people to live in a manner they did not self select. [...] I have massive problems with using government to do it.

We are on the same page, then. In most of American and Canadian cities municipal zoning bylaws force the construction of single-family homes and disallow the construction of mixed-use moderate density buildings.

With that in mind, one may begin to wonder if the reason we don't see more walkable neighborhoods is because they are currently illegal to build, not because there is no demand for them. And, indeed, there is plenty of demand for them.

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