Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by emodendroket on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:14AM
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> But considering the car enabled the suburb in the first place, I don't think it's necessarily wrong to use it as the metric.
The first suburbs were a result of trains.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by xapata on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:45AM
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But I think the modern suburbs (in the USA) were more of a "white flight" phenomenon, enabled by cheaper construction methods and perhaps a confluence of a few other post-war trends/policies.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by emodendroket on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:29PM
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White flight swelled the population of suburbs but they were already substantial. I think it would be a misleading picture if you just choose one point in a continuous process and start from there.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by xapata on Friday May 19, 2023 @07:35PM
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We don't need to create the universe to bake an apple pie from scratch. I agree that a history of the suburbs might begin before WWII, but the general concept of needing to start at the beginning is a slippery slope. I'd say nearly all histories must pick an arbitrary start, mid-stream.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by emodendroket on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:57PM
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In that case I recommend the commuter train, which created inner-ring suburbs which still exist. Not exactly ancient history anyway.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by jquery on Friday May 19, 2023 @05:24PM
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Interesting, TIL. I still think modern suburbs are defined by their relationship to cars, not trains.
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred...
by emodendroket on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:58PM
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I think there is still, even now, a difference between these older, inner-ring suburbs with many people commuting to work by train (and generally smaller plots and the like) and newer outer-ring suburbs or exurbs (or just rings around newer cities) which are more car-focused from the start.
These are fairly car centric definitions. But considering the car enabled the suburb in the first place, I don't think it's necessarily wrong to use it as the metric.