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Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by mschuster91 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @06:33PM (#35995135)
> They're also laid out with an office, not home, in mind. (Think: plumbing.)

Plumbing is easy, pressurized pipes and pumps can deal with that just fine. The real challenge is air conditioning: showers create lots of humid, warm air - introduce that into your building's HVAC and you'll get issues with rust and mold - and cooking isn't much better, people generally don't want to smell the curry that someone at the other end of the building is cooking. Or they don't want to hear their neighbors having sex through the air vents.

Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by noirbot on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:40PM (#35995887)
IIRC, the issue with plumbing is often sewage volume from cooking + showers and the like. There's a certain amount of load expected per floor of commercial space that is lower than for residential, and often commercial buildings literally don't have a hookup to the main sewer line large enough to accommodate residential use, and adjusting that can be immensely expensive.

It's also a question of what the trunk water/sewer line can handle. There's places in some cities where larger apartment buildings have to hold sewage in a tank and pump it out at night because the city pipes can't handle a normal load during normal hours.

Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by CapstanRoller on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:27PM (#35996667)
>Plumbing is easy, pressurized pipes and pumps can deal with that just fine.

The bigger problem is finding space for pipes. Many commercial buildings have specialized vertical tunnels for plumbing. The bathrooms in these buildings are usually adjacent to these tunnels, and there are no provisions for expanding plumbing to other areas of the floor in order to separate the floorspace into separate apartments with their own bathrooms.

The vertical tunnels are also designed to handle some number of main pipes based on N bathrooms per floor that you'd typically find in an office, with no room for expansion to handle N*10 bathroom capacity.

Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by rightbyte on Friday May 19, 2023 @04:24AM (#35999242)
Is that a problem though? Office toilettes are used way more often then residential. You can just put more residential toilettes in series than you could put office toilettes.

Pipes dimensioned for an office floor is surely enough for flats.

Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by CapstanRoller on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:43PM (#36004734)
It really depends on the building. I've seen some older office buildings with 2-4 toilets per floor. Not sure if those can be retrofitted for more capacity...
Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by rightbyte on Friday May 19, 2023 @05:04PM (#36006822)
My point is that people don't poop or pee less at the office (I guess?), so those 2-4 toilets should be flushed about as much as if they all lived there and had a toilet each. And offices have more people per sq feet, so residential conversions should not flood the pipes.

Although showers could mess up my 'theory'. But the sewer from those is easier to get flowing than toilettes I guess.

Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by CapstanRoller on Friday May 19, 2023 @06:39PM (#36007576)
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Re:NYC Skyscrapers Sit Vacant, Exposing Risk City Never Pred... by dragonwriter on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:12PM (#35997290)
> Plumbing is easy, pressurized pipes and pumps can deal with that just fine.

AIUI, plumbing is technically easy, but is still insanely expensive for conversions.

That said, it makes sense that HVAC would be a bigger problem.