I didn't say I was doing permaculture. I know what it's about. We certainly incorporate bits of it, for example I do make my own compost and I do mulch with cardboard and other available materials. And we built a hugelmound. However, I'm not going to give up my job or fart around for 10 years to get things done when we can make a call and get a truck load of mulch. Plus the company that we buy from takes greenwaste and turns it into mulch and compost, so apart from the commercial component it's not that different a lifecycle, just a different scale.