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Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:35AM (#35973070)
Before having a child, it was something I thought about and my wife and I would occasionally discuss. Now my son asks, "How can you do this to me? You've screwed up our planet and there is nothing I can do for at least ten years," (direct quote after coming home from school yesterday -- he's 9).

Our kids are worried about it, more so than our generation, that's for sure.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by ChatGTP on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:15AM (#35973343)
Man this must be hard on everyone. You and your son included.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by hanselot on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:55AM (#35973588)
Ah, we have reached the stage of divide and conquer where parents are turned against their own children based on existential threats which may be irrelevant in the face of an actual catastrophe.

Give me all relevant info on the catastrophic cyclical events on earth (spanning aprox 12-27k years)

ChatGPT Cyclical events that span approximately 12,000 to 27,000 years on Earth are often associated with astronomical phenomena and geological processes. Here are some relevant topics related to these cyclical events:

Milankovitch Cycles: Milankovitch cycles refer to variations in the Earth's orbit, axial tilt, and precession over long periods. These cycles are believed to play a role in shaping the planet's climate and have a periodicity of around 23,000 to 100,000 years. Changes in these orbital parameters can influence the amount and distribution of solar radiation reaching Earth's surface, potentially leading to climate variations.

Ice Ages: Ice ages, also known as glaciations, are periods of extensive glacial advance followed by retreat. These occur over long timescales and are linked to Milankovitch cycles. The last major ice age occurred approximately 20,000 years ago and lasted until about 10,000 years ago. Ice ages can have profound effects on sea levels, ecosystems, and global climate patterns.

Mass Extinctions: Throughout Earth's history, there have been several mass extinction events where a significant portion of species on the planet went extinct. While not necessarily cyclical, these events have occurred sporadically over millions of years. Notable mass extinctions include the Permian-Triassic extinction (approximately 252 million years ago) and the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction (around 66 million years ago), which wiped out the dinosaurs.

Geomagnetic Reversals: Earth's magnetic field periodically undergoes reversals, meaning the magnetic north and south poles switch places. These geomagnetic reversals are recorded in the rock record, and they occur irregularly over long timescales. The most recent reversal, known as the Brunhes-Matuyama reversal, happened approximately 780,000 years ago.

Supercontinent Cycle: The movement of tectonic plates on Earth's surface leads to the assembly and breakup of supercontinents over millions of years. The most famous supercontinent is Pangaea, which formed about 300 million years ago and later broke apart. This process is believed to occur in cycles, with supercontinents forming and dispersing roughly every 300 to 500 million years.

It's important to note that while these cyclical events have occurred in Earth's history, predicting or attributing specific catastrophic events to them with precise timelines is challenging. The geological and astronomical processes involved are complex and subject to various factors. Scientists continue to study these phenomena to gain a better understanding of Earth's past and future changes.

User Which of the above is most overdue?

ChatGPT Of the cyclical events mentioned, the Earth's geomagnetic field reversal is one that is difficult to predict precisely in terms of timing. Geomagnetic reversals occur irregularly, and it is challenging to determine when the next reversal will happen.

The last reversal, the Brunhes-Matuyama reversal, occurred approximately 780,000 years ago. Based on the geological record, reversals have occurred at irregular intervals ranging from tens of thousands to millions of years. Therefore, it's not accurate to say that a reversal is "overdue" in the sense of a specific timeframe.

It's important to note that the geological timescales associated with these cyclical events are extremely long, and our understanding of them is still evolving. While scientists continue to study these phenomena, predicting the exact timing of such events remains a significant challenge.

I believe there is substantially larger things to worry about. Yes, our environment is important, and barely a person I know doesn't believe this. If you want to fix it, stop using plastic (forever). Good luck doing that.

That nobody has yet figured out how to convert all the free carbon in the atmosphere into money is only a matter of time. Money will always trump whatever other bullshit gets swindled on any given day.

PS - the world was supposed to end many hundreds of times since the 70s due to global warming. It seems somehow we are still here. So maybe stop stressing about things you have little to no impact on.

If you are really serious about affecting anything, make the cows eat seaweed...

The formatting on this will be bad, but I just had ChatGPT generate this for me.

    Type | Description of Climate Alarmism Prediction | Did Happen?
    Disappearance of Arctic Sea Ice | Prediction in the 2000s that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013 due to global warming | False
    Increase in Hurricanes | Claim in the early 2000s that hurricanes would become more frequent and intense due to global warming | False
    Food Shortages and Famine | Assertion in the 1980s that climate change would cause widespread crop failures and global food shortages by the 2000s | False
    Sea Level Rise and City Submergence | Projections in the 1990s that by 2020, major coastal cities like New York and London would be submerged due to rising sea levels | False
    Extinction of Polar Bears | Claim in the 2000s that polar bears would become extinct due to disappearing Arctic sea ice | False
    Climate Refugee Crisis | Prediction in the late 20th century that millions of people would be displaced as climate refugees by the 2020s | False
    Collapse of Amazon Rainforest | Assertion in the 1980s that the Amazon rainforest would be completely destroyed by the 2000s due to deforestation and climate change | False
    Devastation of Coral Reefs | Claim in the 1990s that coral reefs worldwide would be destroyed by the 2010s due to ocean acidification and bleaching events | False
    Irreversible Global Warming Tipping Point | Assertion in the 1970s that global warming would reach an irreversible tipping point by the 2000s, leading to catastrophic consequences | False
    Drastic Reduction in Snowfall | Prediction in the 1990s that snow would become a rare phenomenon in regions like Europe and North America due to global warming | False
    Melting of Himalayan Glaciers | Claim in the 2000s that Himalayan glaciers would vanish by 2035, causing water shortages in major Asian rivers | False
    Loss of African Agriculture | Assertion in the 1980s that rising temperatures would lead to widespread failure of African agriculture by the 2000s | False
    Expansion of Sahara Desert | Prediction in the 1970s that the Sahara Desert would expand southward, engulfing fertile regions by the end of the century | False
    Ocean Acidification Impact on Shellfish | Claim in the 1990s that ocean acidification would lead to the extinction of shellfish species within a few decades | False
    Ecosystem Collapse and Mass Extinctions | Assertion in the 2000s that climate change would cause widespread ecosystem collapse and mass extinctions within a century | False
    Global Cooling and an Impending Ice Age | Prediction in the 1970s that the world would experience global cooling, leading to an impending ice age | False
    
    Please note that the examples provided reflect notable claims or predictions that have received attention, but the "Did Happen" column remains represented as a boolean, with "False" indicating that the specific claims did not happen. The list is not exhaustive and is intended to showcase a range of historical climate alarmism claims over the past 100 years.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by anjc on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:07AM (#35973678)
Are you going to raise this with the school? It seems highly inappropriate on their part
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:23AM (#35973779)
Why would I bring my son’s opinions up with the school? Because they learned about global warming? Nah, we had a sit down talk about it and how it isn’t “any one specific person’s” fault.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by anjc on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:46AM (#35973950)
Maybe I misunderstood but it seemed that he learned it was your fault, rather than this being an opinion he formed.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:06AM (#35974117)
I mean it slightly is. I leave lights on, take long showers, drive a car, and lots of other things.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:36AM (#35975050)
Because from the description, one of two things probably happened: Either the school taught a secular version of a "put the fear of God into them" lesson, and your kid came home in feeling like he literally should not have been born, or another kid talked to him with the same result. That's a really unfair message to hand a 9-year-old.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:08AM (#35975422)
It seems like a natural conclusion:

1. Teach: humanity has done X to the environment

2. Teach: if we don’t do something Y will happen

3. Conclude: I was not alive to do X

4. Ergo: the adults in my life did X

5. Ergo: the adults in my life will continue to do X which will cause Y because I can’t affect meaningful change

I don’t automatically assume they start at step 5 at school. I’ve seen his math homework. Is that a normal way of thinking though?

To automatically assume that with my son would teach him (likely, inadvertently) that what he learns at school may not be right (which isn’t true, for the most part). Rather I want to teach him that he takes ownership of the words that come out of his mouth. That his opinions are his own and he has to defend them, and further learn what is an opinion and what is a fact.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by balfirevic on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:34AM (#35976812)
> what he learns at school may not be right

Wait, you don't teach him that?

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:37PM (#35978670)
No, because it is obvious past a certain age or once you know enough about the world. At his age, I want him to learn, enjoy learning, and trust his teachers to answer questions. I want him to learn, more importantly, that he can misunderstand something and it isn't the other person's fault. Schools teach the basics of the world, so by definition, are always wrong; but, with just the basics, you can make it quite far in the world...
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by david38 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:02PM (#35978177)
If your son is talking like that, it’s a strong signal you haven’t properly put things in perspective for him. The world has always been horrible in one way or another. Go ahead. Pick a time.

This is a 100% attitude and filtering issue.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by revelio on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:07PM (#35978238)
That's clearly ideological brainwashing and you should take it up with the head teacher. It's not only factual nonsense to believe what your son is saying, but also dangerous. You definitely don't want him to be added to the ranks of the "i killed myself to save the planet" brigade.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:51PM (#35978889)
> you should take it up with the head teacher.

I don't want to teach my son that him misunderstanding something is someone else's fault. Obviously, this wasn't taught in class. He was taught lots of things and was a conclusion he came to on his own. Like nobody ever told me that a McDonald's hamburger will cost around $50 when I retire, I simply did some math based on the average inflation. Will it actually? no idea. But I know that I should probably have that much more in my retirement account.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by revelio on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:57PM (#35978963)
And what were these "lots of things" that led to him concluding the world is now ruined by you, his parent? Cuz I definitely don't recall anything like that being on the curriculum when I was a kid.

No, pretty sure he concluded exactly what his teachers wanted him to conclude. Nine year olds are not famous for their critical thinking and deep research skills.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by withinboredom on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:24PM (#35979279)
> Nine year olds are not famous for their critical thinking and deep research skills.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35975422

> No, pretty sure he concluded exactly what his teachers wanted him to conclude.

Do you know us IRL or something?

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by revelio on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:56PM (#35981178)
The whole thing hangs on (2) which he isn't in any position to critically evaluate. No kid would be.