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Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by jonhohle on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:30AM (#35948754)
I was going through the white house proposed budget this weekend and there are more than a few call outs (10-20%) that seem superfluous or like they should be handled by private industries as they seem constrained to benefit those private businesses.

Government money also tends to raise all ships^H^H^H^H^Hprices, so many of the social welfare programs - tuition and home buying loans and assistance, for example - have had the effect of raising prices to the point that most people couldn’t afford them without that assistance. That seems like a good indicator that the program has lost its purpose and should be scrapped for a new idea. Getting rid of those would be immediately deflationary for several sectors (good, imho).

As someone on the hook for $116k in deficit, I’d be much happier to direct my tax dollars to eliminating debt and interest payments and reducing inflation than a great deal of what public money is being spent on.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by Scoundreller on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:07AM (#35949382)
> As someone on the hook for $116k in deficit, I’d be much happier to direct my tax dollars to eliminating debt and interest payments

Our tax returns have a field at the bottom where you can offer to do just that with your tax refund. I suspect it costs them more in ink than the value of any takers.

Always seemed like a “nonono, I didn’t mean to pay down the debt with my money!” kinda thing.

“Ontario opportunities fund

You can help reduce Ontario's debt by completing this area to donate some or all of your 2022 tax refund to the Ontario opportunities fund. Please see the provincial pages for details. ”

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by jonhohle on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:40AM (#35950034)
If the tax return said: repay your portion of the debt and you’re off the hook for any future deficit spending or moneys collected to service national debt, I would be tempted to take that offer.

Unless there is default, there’s no reason for the government to not to keep accumulating debt.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by dahfizz on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:23AM (#35949690)
The government is already wasting half my paycheck, I'm not going to donate more money and hope its spent wisely.

The issue is an inability to budget. If we doubled tax revenue, we would double spending and increase the deficit further.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by adfgionionio on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:40AM (#35950037)
Stop lying. No one in the US pays a 50% tax rate. The top marginal tax rate is 37%.

And the problem is tax cuts. Decreasing revenue without decreasing spending leads to a larger deficit. I can help you with the math if you need it. The ballooning (pre-Covid) deficit during the Trump administration can be traced directly to tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by anonymousiam on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:47AM (#35950148)
It goes higher when you include state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes, SSI taxes, unemployment insurance, SDI, gas taxes, property taxes, etc.

Also, some of the above are paid by both employer and employee, which is an accounting trick to make the taxpayer think he/she is paying less.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by hiatus on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:49AM (#35950194)
Most states have income tax too. CA's is 13%.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by anonymousiam on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:44AM (#35950104)
Indeed, we haven't had a "budget" in years. Now we have "spending bills" instead.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by zht on Monday May 15, 2023 @12:14PM (#35950585)
are you in Ontario?
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by siftrics on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:18AM (#35949613)
In the US, you can give extra money to reduce the deficit. You cannot redirect what you already owe so that it all goes towards reducing the deficit.

So I think your point "nonono, I didn’t mean to pay down the debt with my money!" is moot.

Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by amalcon on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:24AM (#35949706)
That sort of direction wouldn't be meaningful anyway, since money is fungible.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by jonhohle on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:44AM (#35950096)
It’s not like money that was previously allocated for debt service could then be moved to something else. In AZ we can direct about $4k to specific organizations and receive a 1:1 tax credit. That impacts revenues, but not how much those programs would receive otherwise.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by amalcon on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:45AM (#35950114)
They could obviously just issue new debt, though.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by siftrics on Monday May 15, 2023 @01:29PM (#35951607)
You can make tax-deductible donations to certain organizations. This results in them getting more funding than they otherwise would. Sure, redirections may not modify the budget of the US government programs directly, but it does have meaningful impact on the world.
Re:U.S. Marshals Spied on Abortion Protesters Using Dataminr by digging on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:47AM (#35950165)
It would be if federal budgets were determined by the allocations people indicated on their tax filings. But that would be a mess if unrestricted.