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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by iepathos on Monday May 15, 2023 @08:19AM (#35947052)
Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense. Withdrawing privileges is an imposed penalty. idk if it's appropriate or not, but it's objectively punishment not just an opinion children have.
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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by throwaway173738 on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:08AM (#35948370)
It’s called negative punishment, and is pretty ineffective at eliciting the desired behavior. Positive reinforcement is the only way to spotlight the behavior you want by rewarding it. Punishment is more like learning the shape of a room by stubbing your toes on the walls. You’ll eventually get it but only after trying everything else you can think of.
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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by logifail on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:40AM (#35948919)
> It’s called negative punishment

It isn't:

"[..] people confuse negative reinforcement with punishment, but these are two different concepts"[0]

[0] https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-to-know-about-negative-...

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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by pseudalopex on Monday May 15, 2023 @02:17PM (#35952332)
"Negative punishment is taking something pleasurable away to decrease the behavior. An example of negative punishment is taking away a toy if your child hits their sibling with it."
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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by logifail on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:31AM (#35948768)
> Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense.

Children are not small adults, but they are surprisingly capable of understanding incentives.

"If you behave well you can have ice cream. If you behave badly, you don't get ice cream. It's your choice."

It's awful to teach children that behaviour doesn't matter. Actions do have consequences.

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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by Ensorceled on Monday May 15, 2023 @11:18AM (#35949611)
This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences".

You can't just redefine it as "not punishment" because you want to use that method in child rearing.

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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by logifail on Monday May 15, 2023 @01:43PM (#35951829)
> This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences"

"Actions have consequences" as a statement isn't really up for much debate, it's more of a observation on how the universe works. If we fall far enough, we hurt outselves.

Gravity isn't punishing us when we fall, even if it may feel like that at times - the scars on my right arm from a cycling accident last year are still visible.

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Re:Dogs Can Have Human-Like Anxiety. They Need Human-Like Tr... by Ensorceled on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @08:14AM (#35960754)
"Actions have consequences" is explaining why you are punishing your child.

I'm not saying you're a bad parent for punishing your child, I'm saying you could be a better parent if you stopped leaning on punishment as a parenting tool.

Also, stop telling your child you aren't punishing them because they will ALWAYS remember that bullshit. At least own up to the fact that you are punishing them and tell them why.

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