So you think the minorities don't deserve news outlets and opinion platforms? I've been through that already and it was behind the iron curtain, welcome back to the old world - I definitely didn't expect it to be called "good".

No. Minorities do not deserve carte blanche control of the output of mass communication. That's the most basic enabler of authoritarian dictatorship. Under democratic capitalism, power must cater to the majority, or lose it/go broke.

It's not a perfect system, and remains susceptible to corruption from extremism, but it's historically superior to anything else that's been tried. Presumably this is a reality you've since enjoyed.

Key - for minorities as much as anyone else - is ensuring principles of free speech are upheld. The "woke" crowd have generally promoted censorship ("cancelling"), and therefore are incompatible with protecting their own rights.

As we're seeing here, with exactly this.

Sorry for nitpicking, but you said "The 'woke' crowd have generally promoted censorship ('cancelling')" - but from what I can tell it's not the woke crowd banning books from schools and libraries, banning certain words from education, banning health measures, and I could go on. You talk about wokes promoting things, yet ignore the others actually _implementing_ bans as we speak? Is this gaslighting or what...

To use an analogy: there's a world of difference between scams, spam, opt-in marketing, and an actual, legitimate, invited, email message.

Those not wishing to face the difficult and nuanced reality of these debates equate these in appeals to emotions rather than citing specificity. Not interested in any discussion that employs that technique.

What books? Why? What "health" measures? Why? What were the arguments for and against? Side-stepping these questions is side-stepping the process correct outcomes depend on.

Why would someone want to do that?

On the surface, you'd appear correct, but if you look at the nuance, (a key aspect of critical thinking) you'd be wholly mistaken. The books being banned are graphic in nature and are not age appropriate, and books that are graphic have always been controlled for students. You can still buy them, read them in public libraries, but they have no place in student libraries because kids are MINORS.

A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress. Sexual content has always been restricted, banned, and subject to more scrutiny and control by school boards and curriculum.

"banning certain words from education"

The word CUNT is banned in schools. Certain words are not age appropriate for school.

Walking around with a dildo strapped to your head is also banned in schools. Some things are not appropriate for students.

"banning health measures"

Such as what? Abortion? You can still get an abortion. Or are you talking about cutting off a young girls breasts ...or lopping off a 10 year old's penis because he thinks he is a girl?

I mean, yay, stunning... brave... until the kid reaching 25 and realizes, gee ...I wish I had my breasts/penis ...but there's no going back after such body mutilation.

The latter is not a "health measure" by any means, and Hippocrates would dress you down in ancient Greek if you tried to make the argument to him.

Books depicting blow jobs, anal sex, and other sexual content has always been banned from young eyes. It is already against the law to sexualize children, show them pornographic content, and groom them UNLESS you're a "woke" school district. If the latter, then such woke content seemingly takes precedence over math, reading, and science.

Students in Loudon County can tell you their pronouns, but only half of students have grade-level math proficiency. That is abject failure.

Kids should not be groomed or influenced into a lifestyle, they should not be indoctrinated to think one way or the other. They should be taught the fundamentals, how to critically think, and how to be successful. Lifestyle is a personal choice and damn those who believe it is within their purview to groom kids.

> A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress.

Can you show one instance of this actually happening? I'm not aware of any and what does get banned seems to be a pretty far cry from that sort of thing. Honestly, this registers as more of a pretext than a legitimate concern.

What do you think they are reading at Drag Queen Grooming Hour?

You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.

Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning):

https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...

Do you have any examples of this book actually being read to children? Otherwise it's still speculation that kids are being taught "how to give blowjobs". I have no doubt that sexually explicit books on lgbt issues exist, but the claim is that they are being targeted at children.

Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't?

Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

This website, along with your last one, caters to a fairly right perspective and isn't going to be trustworthy either.

See reply to sibling.

Um. Yes? Considering books like this https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/27/us/tennessee-school-board-rem... have also been banned, I'm not super confident in the some people's ability to distinguish between genuine overstepping of boundaries and stuff they just don't agree with.

The county boards statement on that removal seemed pretty reasonable to me:

The McMinn County Board of Education voted to remove the graphic novel Maus from McMinn County Schools because of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide. Taken as a whole, the Board felt this work was simply too adult-oriented for use in our schools.

We do not diminish the value of Maus as an impactful and meaningful piece of literature, nor do we dispute the importance of teaching our children the historical and moral lessons and realities of the Holocaust. To the contrary, we have asked our administrators to find other works that accomplish the same educational goals in a more age-appropriate fashion. The atrocities of the Holocaust were shameful beyond description, and we all have an obligation to ensure that younger generations learn of its horrors to ensure that such an event is never repeated.

Though I would very much agree that censorship of any kind is a delicate matter and can easily become heavy-handed in exactly the way you describe.

I actually don't know anything about that source. It came up in a search and appeared to summarise and provide source-links to cases I'd previously seen. It wasn't as sensationalist as others so seemed worth including.

Glad you appreciated it. I wasn't able to find something that specifically summarised what I've seen from the US, but it is out there and was as concerning. Maybe it's a bit "boy who cried wolf" with the right in the US on this.

That is, while there's often puritanical hyperbole that's easier for left to switch off to, the right appear to have a valid point most people either side would agree to here, but it's maybe not represented well in mainstream left media.

That news source is one with questionable facts that caters to a far-right audience. This might as well be imaginary.

Do you have something that actually happened, that can be verified through more than one source, and doesn't involve giving such a website traffic?

There's literally videos of these events, look them up.

I don't know anything about that site other than it was pretty well-written and had sources and names and times and places. You're welcome.