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Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by NoZebra120vClip on Monday May 15, 2023 @03:03AM (#35944675)
The pandemic definitely hit me where it hurts, in terms of social groups.

For over 20 years, a small circle of friends had met at a coffeehouse to play games. For a long time, it was Magic: the Gathering, and then in later years it was gin rummy, Clue, Sequence, and all sorts of other board and card games. We met in a large, very social local coffeehouse, then when that closed down we moved to a Starbucks right on the main drag, and then I found a very cute college-oriented teahouse, off the beaten path, and it was there where we whiled away the hours in the before-times.

Then the lockdowns hit, and of course we could no longer meet. Unfortunately, our circle of friends had stabilized with me and two elderly folks, and one of them wasn't savvy enough with Zoom for us to feasibly meet online and do our thing.

For a while, I tried to play online games with the other friend, but it definitely wasn't the same. We couldn't see each other and we couldn't even text-chat while the games were being played, so it really defeated the social purpose of playing the games over a table and a cup of tea, just to solve all the problems of the world.

I still chat with that one friend over the phone, and I share links with her and whatnot, but our social group never recovered from the lockdowns. In fact, the teahouse shut down, never to return. We went our separate ways.

I was also dismayed at how church handled lockdowns. That fateful Easter 2020 was a livestream from a small chapel, with none of the faithful allowed to partake. Bishops around the world essentially canceled every public Mass and told us all to stay home. This was known in earlier days as "Interdict", and Interdict is traditionally wielded as a punishment against nations and rulers who are hostile to the Church. Interdict, or withholding the sacraments from the faithful, is intended to elicit a cry of rebellion from them, that they rise up and demand their religious rights. This is exactly what happened in Mexico in the Cristero Wars, when the atheist government expelled priests and forbade them even to confer baptism.

It took a while, but church did recover, at least my local parish did. They restored the picnic tables and chairs, they put back the holy water, they restarted Masses and allowed us to sing, they began holding public events and even serving food. I'm thankful that the lockdowns did not last forever, for them.

Unfortunately, for me, several social options have evaporated. I work from home now, although the nature of my remote work would allow me to hook up anywhere that has WiFi. I have gone to the library once in a while, when there's an issue at home. I really think libraries are great third places, and kudos to the municipalities that strive to make them welcoming and useful to taxpayers.

Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by switch007 on Monday May 15, 2023 @03:49AM (#35944966)
Our libraries are more or less homeless shelters now. Good for the homeless, but not so great for getting a book or using it as a third space.

Thanks neoliberals.

Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by NoZebra120vClip on Monday May 15, 2023 @05:49AM (#35945755)
Yes, my experience is the same. The major metro downtown library has been a homeless shelter for years, even in the before-times. There is a decently-sized grass-lawn park right next to it, and every morning in the library, there is a huge row of bags and shopping carts and all sorts of personal junk belonging to people who schlep it in and out every day to escape the elements.

My local municipal library has gone back and forth. It is on land which is technically Parks & Rec jurisdiction, and so it's patrolled by uniformed Park Rangers. There are strict rules about bathroom use and there is technically no sleeping allowed inside the library. During the lockdowns, of course, they were able to keep out the riffraff by mandating masks and doing curbside, online-facilitated book pickups.

But the whole neighborhood by the library is a mass of homeless hangout, especially the bus stops right nearby, and let me tell you, it's downright scary when bus stops are "owned" and squatted by a group of creeps who are drunk and/or on drugs and/or bent on violence. There is literally nowhere safe to sit in the shade and wait for an actual bus, because nobody at the stop intends to get on the bus at all. And, when you do board a bus, especially the free-fare ones, it's clogged with the same types of weirdos going to/from their daytime hangouts.

Personally for me, when I was homeless, libraries were a life saver, and I definitely hung out at libraries, which kept me (1) out of trouble, (2) safe from the weather, (3) connected to friends and family, and (4) occupied and not bored, and (5) no need to spend money. Of course, I was extremely careful about obeying all rules and regulations and not being caught out as homeless. Sleeping was mostly OK, and I didn't need to shower, shave, or brush teeth in the bathrooms, so that also helped.

Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by Moldoteck on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:31AM (#35946047)
interesting, what led to this? I know baltics/nordic states have a lot of libraries that look super cool and people gather there mainly to meet each other instead of reading, but those places are thriving, have cafes, cool stuff like 3D printers, free good wifi, clean restrooms
Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by NoZebra120vClip on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:54AM (#35946241)
Our libraries have all that stuff, and often that is what's attractive to homeless people. They may not be penniless or destitute: a lot of times, people have no home, but they have a cell phone to charge, and they have a few bucks to spend on restaurant food (because they can't purchase/store groceries or cook for themselves).

So all these creature comforts and amenities attract people of lower economic class. Often it's really nice to use a lab computer, set your phone down while it's charging, get on the Internet and do some job searches. If there's a café in your library, then you can stay all day without leaving.

Even people who do have homes may prefer the library during the day. If they have obnoxious roommates, abusive family members, no A/C or heating, whatever, they can come to the library and enjoy all that, courtesy of the taxpayers.

Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by YellOh on Monday May 15, 2023 @09:34AM (#35947887)
Just hung out at my local library this past weekend. Notable experiences were there being 3 police officers standing guard in full gear in this small local library, and me ending up sitting across from a guy who was quietly talking to himself about shooting guns. I can understand why the only younger middle+ class people there were volunteers, though it made me a bit sad.
Re:'Third places': The ways losing our local haunts hurts us... by thorin on Monday May 15, 2023 @05:15AM (#35945511)
Lockdown completely killed my mum's social life. She's in her 80s and all her friends were met through church (UK). During the pandemic her church only did some online services and no outdoors meets or anything and never really recovered. I think it was closed for at least 2 years. It was really sad, probably the only chance her friends had to meet up was at funerals, which were also limited. Now she has started meeting up with neighbours more which great but doesn't really replace the routine she had with church. It seemed her denomination was keen to close that small community church anyway and the people running it were happy to keep it closed rather excessively in my opinion.

As a counterpoint, pubs (particularly micropubs) and cafes in my area are thriving!