Baseline: a unified view of stable web features

Re:Baseline: a unified view of stable web features by chrismorgan on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:42AM (#35911997)

This is nonsense. Safari adds major features in point releases: just look through some of https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-not... and see. Some of the biggest features get held for the next “major” number bump, certainly, but most point releases include at least as much as most major number bumps in Firefox or Chromium.

In my experience, people haven’t tended to use just “last two versions” with Browserlist: IE has normally been special-cased historically, and Safari has regularly been special-cased in some way, and Safari has actually been the salvation of the “last two versions” strategy because it dragged the baseline down to a more acceptable place, where “last two versions” of only Firefox and Chromium would regularly be disastrous. It has long been a really poorly-thought-out mechanism.

The other point you’re missing is user adoption. “At least one year” for Safari is one thing, but “five weeks” for everyone else is pretty crazy when you look at actual update statistics.

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Re:Baseline: a unified view of stable web features by atopal on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:42AM (#35913564)

The issue with Safari is that it's tied to the operating system on iOS. That's an issue with minor releases, but even more so with major releases, where you can't get Safari 16 for iOS 15. That naturally means slower uptake compared to Chrome or Firefox which will update the browser in the background seamlessly.

I'm hoping that we'll be able to identify better usage data and a better understanding of developer expectations to refine this definition.

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