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Re:The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses” by refurb on Thursday May 11, 2023 @11:30PM (#35911545)
Not sure why you’re downvoted because it’s true.

People desperate enough to use payday lenders have no other options. And the high interest rates reflect the risk.

Take that option away and the need doesn’t magically disappear, they just go to black market lenders where there really is no backstop at all.

Far better to regulate.

Re:The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses” by Nursie on Thursday May 11, 2023 @11:34PM (#35911576)
> People desperate enough to use payday lenders have no other options.

Not always true, some folks misuse them for a variety of reasons.

Take the option away in the UK and a friend’s boyfriend wouldn’t have been able to use an app to take out a bunch of short term loans in her name for Xbox games…

So I think sometimes these facilities are used frivolously. You’re right that a portion of users in real hardship would turn to “informal” lending if these lenders were to disappear. But it feels like we as a society should come up with a better solution there really.

Re:The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses” by logicchains on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:34AM (#35912288)
>Take the option away in the UK and a friend’s boyfriend wouldn’t have been able to use an app to take out a bunch of short term loans in her name for Xbox games…

There's already a solution there, she could take him to court to recover the money. Your argument is basically "ban X because X can be used in an illegal way".

Re:The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses” by Nursie on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:48AM (#35912395)
No, my argument is that not every use of x constitutes immediate, severe need, so the consequences of banning x would not necessarily be to drive all service users of x straight into the arms of loan sharks.

Further to that, my argument is that for people who are in such severe need that they would then turn to loan sharks, there is probably a better solution out there that we as a society should be looking into, than usurious payday lenders.

At no point was my argument anything close to “ban X because X can be used in an illegal way"