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Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by snorkel on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @04:54PM (#3591955)
I'm embarking on a similar hands-on exercise with my own 5 year old son called "let's make an iPhone game". I'm letting him completely define the plot, the characters, the actions, and overall requirements no matter how nonsensical it all seems, I don't debate his choices, I just take requirements as is. I have him involved with every step from designing the artwork, the music, the sounds, the actions, and he is quite obsessed with working on this project continuaously. I don't expect he'll know all the details of how the game works but I want to demonstrate that he can create fun things using a computer.

The refreshing part of getting software requirements from a child is there's no tedious debate about implementation details, timelines, and business value. "The cowboy is only on level 2 and level 4 because his friend is the mosquitto." OK, whatever, nonsense but perhaps no more ridiculous than Pac Man.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by bane on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @10:45PM (#3592916)
"OK, whatever, nonsense but perhaps no more ridiculous than Pac Man."

Love it. Break down Super Mario Bros. sometime. "So there's this guy, he's a plumber and has a huge mustache, he runs left to right and jumps on enemy mushrooms, but if he eats different ones (which he gets by hitting floating blocks with question marks on them) he gets bigger. Eating flowers lets him shoot fireballs, which kills anything that doesn't have a shell, except for the hammer brothers and Bowser. When he eats stars (that he's extracted out of the more floating question mark blocks) he becomes invincible for a short period of time. At the end of every level he sees how high up a flag pole he can jump. Oh and there's a princess you are saving or something who's always in a different castle then the one you are in. Every living thing in the world is pretty much made of poison since you die as soon as you touch pretty much anything. Oh, and some turtles can fly."

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by scrame on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @11:39PM (#3593055)
and jumps on enemy mushrooms

Goombas are actually chestnuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goomba

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by oconnor0 on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @01:08AM (#3593245)
Because that makes it less nonsensical. :-)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by yassim on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @05:26PM (#3592075)
Thankyou. I cant read the article from work as we block anything with the word games in the meta tags. But your post gave me most of the gist as well as making me smile with what you are doing. My hats off to you.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by jacquesm on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @05:47PM (#3592154)
Let's hope game theory will never be applicable to your line of work.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by SquareWheel on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @06:02PM (#3592209)
I'm not sure if you need to be logged in to Instapaper to see this, but here is a text summary that has all the content: http://www.instapaper.com/text?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmartinkool.com...
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by yassim on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @08:00PM (#3592540)
Thanks. Work fine without logging in.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by Ideka on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @05:53PM (#3592179)
I suggest reading the article when you can, as that post wasn't actually very similar to it.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by cedlimed on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @08:14PM (#3592560)
hey yassim, my workplace does that as well. I usually circumvent that by adding 'cache:' in front of the web address to pull the google cache (This might only be applicable on Google chrome, though)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by yassim on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @12:25AM (#3593146)
Thanks. I'm surprised that actually worked here since proxy information is also semi locked down. I shall have to remember this trick in future.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by bambax on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @05:49AM (#3593782)
Fantastic! And what are you using to build the game?
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by skystorm on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:53PM (#3591226)
Incidentally, the game in question (Edge) is part of the current Humble Bundle, including a version for Android devices. I've already had quite a bit of fun with it on my way to work. :)

Edit: Kinda obvious, but here's the link http://www.humblebundle.com/ (only 4 hours to go!)

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by albertzeyer on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:17PM (#3591092)
In the beginning when I saw the pictures, I thought that you could build levels for a 2D platform game with Lego and the game automatically reads them in via Webcam or so and you could play them.

That would be fun! :)

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by vyrotek on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:56PM (#3591241)
I thought the same thing! The next generation of toys gets me really excited. I hope things like that become a reality. I can't wait to play.... err get them for my kids. ;)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by techMAC on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @04:53PM (#3591954)
We can also enjoy those toys, not just our kids. LOL
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by JonnieCache on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:19PM (#3591340)
I was expecting him to have hooked up a kinect to the level editor, so he could scan in all his lego levels.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by rcthompson on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @07:23PM (#3592440)
Why can't we just put a computer in every lego piece with inputs and output on the "pegs" and holes, and have the pieces figure out on their own how they're put together? Then we just need a USB-to-lego adapter to export to the computer.

Anyone into distributed systems research?

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by jonbro on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @10:09AM (#3594472)
There are a few research systems that do exactly this, and I think that some of them may be coming to the market soon.

http://www.modrobotics.com/ is the one that I could find quickish.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by ThomPete on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @12:55PM (#3590986)
Why can't the world be much more like that?

Such a fantastic present. And it makes you wonder if there is some untapped potential in there.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by hobin on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @12:59PM (#3591005)
There's not much here to say except: this is the awesomest thing I've ever seen game developers do.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by tete on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @09:20AM (#3594288)
Isn't that what indie game development is all about? That the developers actually care.

At least that's a lot of why I like indie games. They often do awesome things. They usually don't just develop games to make money, but to make people happy. I think that's a lot about why they are more creative and not just another implementation of the same boring game with better graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc&;

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by hieronymusN on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:08PM (#3591057)
Such a great story. Such a great ad for a game. Downloading now.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by 6ren on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @05:42PM (#3592134)
Unfortunately, they need to license his level; and if it is sold with the official game, they arguably should pay him.

This issue wouldn't occur if they coded his map for him as an independent modder's map - but a big part of the coolness of this gift is that it's part of the official game. (I mean, when I was 7, such a gift would be like becoming a god - legal issues, even money, would only diminish that).

/sick of negotiating licenses for my code

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by gtrak on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @12:56PM (#3590993)
Yes, for that kid this will be something to look back on in pride. That's amazing.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by erikpukinskis on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:30PM (#3591139)
This is a lovely story, great parenting, and a lovely gesture.

But I could not stop thinking about how many extraordinary coincidences would be required for this to happen to a little girl.

Would her parents have encouraged her relationship with video games?

Would her friends support it?

Is it even physically possible to make an "Edge" level with the new "girl" Legos?

These are the tiny little experiences that turn little boys from future Biologists into future Computer Scientists.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by kylemaxwell on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:06PM (#3591285)
My daughter plays the same games (e.g. Minecraft) as the boys. She plays with the same Lego bricks as the boys. It's not that she doesn't see the differences, especially at school - it's that we don't make the differences seem like anything to worry about at this point.

By the time those differences matter more, I hope to have her self-confidence to the point where she'll kick those boys' butts.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by cicloid on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:14PM (#3591318)
Maybe, the only sad part is that creativity toys like Lego have somehow stopped being gender neutral. Have you seen the latest sets?
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by tomjen3 on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:22PM (#3591355)
One does not buy the latest lego sets -- one buys what ever magnum box they have with the most blocks.

Especially if you are concerned about the image.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by JonnieCache on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:19PM (#3591343)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by lbotos on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:29PM (#3591392)
While I don't argue that the majority of lego sets are geared towards boys they still run the Lego City line as well as the Harry Potter line which does seem to be relatively popular with girls. (My Ex-gf played with legos and loved the Harry Potter Stuff.)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by jacquesm on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @05:50PM (#3592168)
Lego sets may be geared towards boys for the most part but plain lego bricks are about the most gender neutral toy you could possibly find. And it seems that kids of either gender (and any age!) appreciate them equally.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by kellishaver on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @02:50PM (#3591481)
Two of my almost-10-yr-old daughter's favorite things are Minecraft and LEGO.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by whileonebegin on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @03:02PM (#3591533)
This makes me sad. As a father of two girls, I'm always available to build blocks, legos, and castles. I've even introduced the older one to my own HTML5 games. She's great at using the mouse now and can even use Chrome's auto-complete to get to her gaming web site by herself (we're working on full urls, but the alphabet comes first).

However, come xmas and birthdays, the family continues to shower them with traditional girl toys (dolls, stuffed animals, kitchen sets, pink toys, pink blocks, pink legos). Whenever she opens a present, and it's pink, my stomach churns. It's almost to the point where you feel like giving in. I certainly wouldn't take away their girl toys that they enjoy, simply for the sake of gender. They should be free to play with what they choose. I just wish society (the older generation and especially marketers), would be less insistent on specific gender toys.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by jordan0day on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @03:56PM (#3591776)
I don't think it would require a great "many extraordinary coincidences" for this to happen to a little girl. All it takes is for her parents to encourage it.

Certainly, as she grows, the overriding influence of her parents declines, but for a long time parents can be the primary driver in what a child determines to be appropriate.

Saying that "many extraordinary coincidences" are required for a little girl to like a puzzle game or legos or whatever else is entirely hyperbolic. All it takes is parents who encourage that behavior.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @06:45PM (#3592326)
>All it takes is for her parents to encourage it. //

Or just allow for her parents to allow it?

Our 2yo wanted a tea-set for christmas. The most non-barbified one we could find (ie no latent advertising and as non-pink as possible, I really hate lurid pink ... except that one shirt ...) so we got him the cherry red set with the pink bows.

Am I encouraging him to develop a liking for picnics and fancy tea-ware? Not particularly. That's just what he wanted.

Oh there I go wittering again ...

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by mmavnn on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @04:54AM (#3593700)
I don't know where you live, but Ikea do some great 'mini' crocery. Just like the real stuff (even made of the real materials) but smaller.

It's all in neutral colours too.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by richardlblair on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @03:43PM (#3591728)
This is a really touching story.

Above that, it will really spark this young man's creative mind. For his eighth birthday get him a laptop, and get him programming.

Sounds like a really awesome kid. You are one lucky Dad.

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by ralphael on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @08:28AM (#3594138)
yep, couldn't agree more! The laptop could be the best present you ever buy him! ..second to Lego :-)
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by reinhardt on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @02:55PM (#3595763)
Apologies for the meta comment but this is the thread with the highest points/comments ratio I've seen in HN. Almost six hundred readers upvoted it but less than 10% posted a comment, which is pretty unusual. I'm guessing it's the overwhelming "this is amazingly cool/touching/lovely but other than I don't really have anything to add to the discussion" feeling.
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by slewis on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @06:54PM (#3592343)
And the developer gets positive karma from the press for doing this, which leads to more sales. Sweet!

(disclaimer: I'm not at all insinuating that they did it for the press. I just like that a good action is being rewarded.)

Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by damian2000 on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @07:31PM (#3592461)
Well done to the game devs to support their fans/players like this ... they deserve all the exposure they will no doubt get for their game because of this story ...
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by SkippyZA on Wednesday February 15, 2012 @12:59AM (#3593226)
Lovely story. If I were a kid and that happened to me, I would be ecstatic!
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by idan on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @06:42PM (#3592312)
Am I the only one who is curious to see gameplay video of this 7-year-old?
Re:Game Developer Gives 7-Year-Old Best Birthday Present Ever by mathattack on Tuesday February 14, 2012 @01:12PM (#3591071)
They're awesome and you're SuperDad!