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Re:How people really use the iPhone by axod on Monday November 10, 2008 @04:13AM (#359053)
One thing that seems to get people is 2 finger to scroll divs/iframes in safari. Pretty intuitive when you think about it, but some don't. Especially when the scrollbars aren't obvious.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by markessien on Monday November 10, 2008 @05:25AM (#359088)
Intuitive? I'm not sure you understand that word.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by axod on Monday November 10, 2008 @06:20AM (#359106)
OK, what other method could you have to scroll a div/iframe? It was the first one that I thought might work, so I tried it. Unless I'm mistaken that made it intuitive for me.

I do get your point though - for some people it's not obvious...

Re:How people really use the iPhone by jcl on Monday November 10, 2008 @12:35PM (#359425)
Why not use the same mechanism you use to scroll the main document window?
Re:How people really use the iPhone by axod on Monday November 10, 2008 @01:36PM (#359503)
because then if the iframe covers the whole screen, it'd be impossible to scroll the document?
Re:How people really use the iPhone by jcl on Monday November 10, 2008 @03:23PM (#359661)
I would expect the standard scrolling gesture to scroll the iframe -- unless the iframe is already scrolled all the way in that direction, in which case it applies the scroll to the iframe's container.

This behavior is intuitive, if slightly inconvenient in some cases, which is exactly the trade-off I'd have expected Apple to make. Requiring an unfamiliar multitouch gesture for a common operation strikes me as the kind of "let's do something cool because we can" geekery that got us middle-click-to-paste in X Windows.

I'm curious: what does the iPhone use to scroll an iframe in an iframe? Three fingers?

Re:How people really use the iPhone by PieSquared on Monday November 10, 2008 @09:13PM (#360121)
Sorry for the off topic comment but I have to say... I love middle-click-to-paste in X Windows! Hooray geekery.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by d0mine on Monday November 10, 2008 @09:25AM (#359218)
"Intuitive" means I did similar things a hundred times in the past.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by Tichy on Monday November 10, 2008 @09:55AM (#359239)
I think the whole gestures thing is NOT intuitive. There is nothing that invites the user to do that stuff. I think scrolling is OK because we have all seen it in the iPhone advertisements. But do stuff with 2,3 or even 4 fingers? Why would I ever even try it? It's like pressing CTRL+@+ALT+AppleKey+xyz.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by axod on Monday November 10, 2008 @11:30AM (#359342)
If it's not something you'd try, what would you try?
Re:How people really use the iPhone by Tichy on Monday November 10, 2008 @01:43PM (#359510)
On non-Apple-systems, typically you can try the right mouse button or browsing the menus.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by 0x44 on Monday November 10, 2008 @03:39PM (#359687)
My phone didn't come with a mouse.
Re:How people really use the iPhone by Tichy on Monday November 10, 2008 @05:10PM (#359819)
I understand, however, maybe then there have to be some buttons. Anything but a random thing to do.