>When is this nonsensical tribalism going to end? Where are all the non-tribal people

Remember when global warming denial was mainstream?

Appeals to moderation were everywhere. The media would routinely play deniers with the scientific credentials of a ferret against actual scientists to maintain the appearance of balance and neutrality.

The appeal to moderation logical fallacy almost seems to be instinctive among some people. It was almost as bad as denialism sometimes.

The only logical fallacy is you thinking that people changing their minds as more evidence came along is now a reason to attack people who disagree with you on any topic now. I'm not appealing to moderates, or to anyone.

I'm appealing to reason, as opposed to tribalism. You are citing the hurt of a tribe you have decided exists as a group to hurt, and justifying talking badly to other people who you imagine are in another tribe is, well, tribalism. Just stop and we can all have a useful discussion.

The parent said "For MANY MANY years after the scientific evidence was completely undeniable". Maybe he's saying that both sides aren't equally valid and taking their opinions as soon is a waste of resources.

I'm not saying both sides are valid, nor about taking opinions. Where are you getting this?

I'm saying stop thinking in terms of sides, and just present reasoned positions. Why is this so hard to grasp?

I did present reasoned positions. You just looked past them as your anger welled up.

For me the jabs were about skewering repetitive propaganda from staggeringly wealthy lobby groups with deafening megaphones that emerges from the mouths of the easily duped.

I want to make sure that the easily duped felt seen.

At the end of the day, intermittent renewables and nuclear are both low-externality energy sources chasing the same public funding. Neither competes with high-externality energy sources except in rare situations, and since the public purse isn't infinite they're in competition with each other.

So it'll probably be a while. FWIW, I'm on the intermittent renewables camp, wish there was more civility in the debate, recognize the worst behavior comes from my side of the aisle and still think pro-nuclear arguments are their own worst enemies.