Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by SeanAnderson on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:29PM
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No, I am not planning on owning commercial, but I am interested in avoiding having taxes raised on me to fill a budget deficit. Taxes on commercial real estate generate a significant amount of revenue, commercial rental agreements are usually ~5-7 years, and so, at least in SF, there is a looming wave of devaluations which has yet to be realized. The city already has an estimated 800M budget shortfall without assuming commercial real estate devalues by 50%. When that happens the only quick fix is to bleed money from the populace. If commercial buildings aren't being used in NY then this will also occur there.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by CydeWeys on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:38PM
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I think you're being too speculative here. If you're really trying to minimize paying taxes, then you should be moving to a state with no income tax, don't buy property there (because states with no income tax tend to make up for it with high property taxes), and don't live in a city because cities will have local taxes. But you move to NYC, you do so because NYC is awesome and living here is great. I wouldn't pay less taxes to live in the middle of nowhere.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by SeanAnderson on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:57PM
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Yeah, I think you're right. Thanks for the feedback. :)
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by sangnoir on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @03:46AM
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> ... you should be moving to a state with no income tax, don't buy property there (because states with no income tax tend to make up for it with high property taxes)
Remember not to rent too, otherwise landlords would passthrough the high property to you.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by CydeWeys on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @05:30PM
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This isn't true in many places for lots of reasons. E.g. in California the owner could easily have grandfathered-in low property tax thanks to Prop 13, that you as a new housing purchaser couldn't benefit from. Or there could be NY-style rent regulation that controls the allowable rental price and doesn't take property tax into consideration at all. Or it could simply be that property taxes go up in a neighborhood (which you'd have to pay if you owned) but that rents do not, for whatever reason; this happens all the time.
As a renter, all you care about is what the rent is. If the rent is good, then you're good. Property tax is very much NOT priced into buying a property, and is an ongoing expense to worry about that moves in way that rent does not.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by sangnoir on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:21PM
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> This isn't true in many places for lots of reasons.
Fair point, but are any of those places in states with no income tax? Thise states have to make up for that loss of revenue somewhere.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by baremetal on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:39PM
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I thought they had a surplus just a few years ago.
Odd.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by asah on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:31PM
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Can confirm: packed streets, packed theaters, restaurants, etc - even the subway is recovering. NYC is going great aside from older, overpriced midtown buildings that are failing to lease.
For (way) more details, I recommend Jonathan Miller's blog: https://millersamuel.com/blog/
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ...
by electriclove on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:29PM
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How do you get around? Are the subways safe for tourists, families, etc?
NYC is booming in all senses of the word that apply to the daily experience of your typical person living here. The streets are PACKED with people out and about having a good time at all hours of day and night, and rents are at record highs because so many people want to live here. So what if not everyone is commuting into the office 5 days a week anymore? Don't buy an office building and you'll be good.