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Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by itisit on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:23AM (#35870464)
Tasteless and offensive? Sure. But why should it be illegal to do such a thing?
Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by Tanjreeve on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @03:01AM (#35871046)
Bigotry turns into a feedback loop that finishes in violence often encoded in political systems and then you get violence + state. E.g Nazis started with "remove Jews from Germany" then shockingly when a lot of Jewish people don't want to leave their homes then it escalates as the bigotry whipped up at first runs into the reality of how to make it real. By the time they seized the full state machinery then it was too late.
Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by v0idzer0 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:58AM (#35872996)
No one can or will ever agree on what is and isn’t bigotry and the views of those who do agree are constantly changing. It’s a ridiculous thing to attempt to make illegal. Those who try are destined to find themselves jailed for bigotry.
Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by Tanjreeve on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:42AM (#35912351)
Has this ever actually happened?
Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by Bran_son on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @08:34AM (#35873415)
> Bigotry turns into a feedback loop that finishes in violence

Completely agreed. So long as I get to define what is bigotry, and what is valid grievance.

Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by Tanjreeve on Sunday May 14, 2023 @03:04AM (#35935975)
Why not established political mechanisms and democratic pressure?
Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by prepend on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:19PM (#35882875)
> Bigotry turns into a feedback loop that finishes in violence often encoded in political systems and then you get violence + state.

I don’t think this is a causal relationship. Just think about the trillions of acts of bigotry that take place each year and how few of them result in genocide. Bigotry is bad, genocide is super duper bad. But saying one leads to the other needs to be qualified that it’s like a one in a billion chance. Equating bigotry with genocide debases the severity of genocide and is like saying unkindness leads to genocide. Or that not saying “bless you” leads to a feedback loop that ends in murder.

Re:Free speech under attack across Ireland, UK, Europe and g... by Tanjreeve on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:40AM (#35912339)
If we say "ah but think about the causal relationship anti semitism has a low risk of turning into a pogrom" that doesn't really carry a lot of water for the majority of Jewish people considering the amount of times it has happened in history.

For the sakes of what are nearly always incredibly low value and tedious "debates" I'm fairly ambivalent on defaulting towards removing hate speech. We can get enough of it from our government and media in the UK anyway so it's clearly not under any real threat.