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Re:Lamest Edit Wars by smodo on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:34PM (#35854819)
Well, before the metaverse, a persons geographical position and date of birth allowed for some inference of context. You get a 4D coordinate, so to speak. Doesn’t seem very strange to me?
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by tgv on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:39PM (#35854865)
But, of course, place of birth doesn't determine nationality, and also not necessarily modern nationality. I know a few families whose children were born in France, but have the Spanish nationality, and one of them changed nationality (not to French). Polish borders have shifted a few times, to highlight another problem.

I think the problem comes from trying to keep the text short.

Re:Lamest Edit Wars by leipert on Sunday May 07, 2023 @06:03PM (#35856046)
> place of birth doesn't determine nationality

Depends: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

In most of the Americas it actually does.

Re:Lamest Edit Wars by zht on Sunday May 07, 2023 @06:52PM (#35856371)
In most of the world by landmass and population it doesn’t
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by zamnos on Sunday May 07, 2023 @07:30PM (#35856595)
As anybody with dual citizenship has the passports to prove it, Jus Soli is only half (or a third, for triple citizenship) the story.
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by ipaddr on Sunday May 07, 2023 @09:24PM (#35857149)
Anyone with a dual should give one to a stateless person. The group no one talks about.
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by tgv on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:52AM (#35872416)
That's not how nationality/citizenship works, is it?
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by ipaddr on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:42PM (#35877847)
Not saying they could but think of how many people have more than one citizenship and how many have none. Without a state you are shutoff from everything from the internet to basic rights or a legal place to live. Existing is most likely violating someone's law
Re:Lamest Edit Wars by tgv on Monday May 08, 2023 @12:49PM (#35863874)
That only leaves

- the rest of the world

- the fact that right to nationality is not the same as having it. France has the same right, but --as I already pointed out-- there are quite a few people born there who didn't take the nationality

- the fact that it can change, and that the inference becomes invalid in the future

Re:Lamest Edit Wars by michaelt on Sunday May 07, 2023 @06:17PM (#35856143)
It depends whether you're trying to follow the "inverted pyramid" writing style [1], which aims to strictly put the most important things first.

Some would say, when describing Tim Berners-Lee, the fact he invented the web is more important than the year of his birth, his middle name, his knighthood or his nationality.

Wikipedia does get his invention of the web into the first sentence of the article [2], which is good - but not before "Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA, DFBCS, RDI (born 8 June 1955), also known as TimBL, is an English computer scientist"

Of course, it's might not be practical for Wikipedia to follow the inverted pyramid style, as it might invite edit wars about what counts as most important.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

Re:Lamest Edit Wars by tobr on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:29AM (#35858442)
Nationality is not a geographical position. It’s more like saying that someone is a “millenial” instead of listing their actual date of birth.

But unlike which generation you are born in, nationality is not a simple, fixed, unique thing that everyone has.