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Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @11:50AM (#35852685)
West of Europe were not confrontational with Russia, they were dreaming that Russia can be controlled with diplomacy and economy. Sure East Europe knew better what is the discourse in Russia and what Russians will do for their supreme leader.
Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:02PM (#35852809)
So you are dreaming to 'control' another country and surprised when the country in question refuses to be controlled. What's in for them in that arrangement?

Even funnier is another comment where Russians should risk their lives to overthrow their government and (implicitly) betray millions of their compatriots in order to supply Europe with their cheap 'ressources'. Using Molotov cocktails. Where's the carrot?

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:35PM (#35854826)
Nah, they dream they could bring Russia to the modern age, democracy, human rights, respect for other nations , collaborations . Nobody in EU wants to steal Russians resources, too bad the Russian oligarchs are doing it.

there is a Romanian saying about Romania but it applies to Russia too, "poor rich country" not sure if it translates well... the country is rich but the people are poor and suffering because of the small number of parasites.

My theory is that when you have same persona ndparty in power for decades then they can't hide their incompetence and failures on a party from opposition and they start inventing bad guys somehere outside (like UK invented the EU bad guy and ended up with Brexit( so Putin invented a big conspiracy about the west, LGBTQ , Israel and blame all his failures on them. Now he is gone old and senile and he believed his propaganda.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Sunday May 07, 2023 @04:50PM (#35855491)
I don't remember EU doing anything in Russia that was conductive to democracy, human rights, respect for other nations, etc. The only positive influence I can think of, is European Court for Human Rights. But especially, EU didn't do anything when Putin decided to stay in power after 2008, they did not have much cultural integration with Russia, so it seems they expected to sit on the bank and expect democracy in Russia float past.

With regards to "respect for other nations", Russians know how Russian minority is treated in Baltic states and that Russian speakers are treated like 3rd class citizens in Ukraine (even before 2014). Russia treated other nations way better than those other nations treated Russians when on their own turf.

I believe you are confusing Putin with e.g. Orban because Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn't dent that.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by dragonwriter on Sunday May 07, 2023 @05:05PM (#35855581)
> Putin is actually BFF with Israel, and even the fact that they are mildly supporting Ukraine didn’t dent that.

Israel has been only mildly helping Ukraine in part to buy Russian acquiescence to Israeli attacks on Iranian targets in Syria, where Russia has a substantial presence (though over time getting less, as material and personnel have been shifted to Ukraine.)

Putin isn’t Israel’s BFF despite Israel’s mild support for Ukraine; the Russian presence in Syria is a constraint on Israeli policy that results in it only mildly supporting Ukraine.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Monday May 08, 2023 @05:54AM (#35859844)
I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed generations can grow.

I am not sure what you want from EU, we are not USA to democratize them with force. The western EU thought that with economy they can prevent idiotic wars, this work for EU, we no longer have wars here and the population is very anti -war.

Not sure what happens in Baltic states but please don't fucking tell me Ruzzian propaganda on how well URSS or Russia is treating minorities, the fucking bastards of Putin and his gang are not respecting nationalities living in their own independent countries.

I know that Ukraine is almost as bad as Russia so pushing propaganda on how bad Ukraine is just pushes Russia even lower.

So for Romanians Russians or FSB trolls should not waste their time, maybe you can fool some westerner with how well you love minorities.

TLDR easter europe knows Russia well, Putin played EU and Germany but he made a bet and his dice did not favored him, but he will push this stupid SMO to the his death.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:23PM (#35864357)
* Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer

* Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities.

Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Monday May 08, 2023 @03:01PM (#35865699)
Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)
Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:17PM (#35866505)
When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe.

This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overly romantic.

Eastern Europeans are pathetic people who only saw like 10% of hardships of Communism and came out whining like they saw 500% of those. Now you have a different good lord to whom you sing praise like you did to Soviet communists just 35 years back. Don't consider yourself to be like Russians because we are not the same.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:34PM (#35866705)
How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe.

We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imperialists/fascists that think God chose their nation to rule Eastern Europe or if they are the smarter/human Russians.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:42PM (#35866799)
I'm not sure who stole your shit because I've never seen it around here, so it must have landed somewhere else - maybe you should go look elsewhere. When you talk about "crimes", I don't feel that you've even began to understand what a Communist regime can do to a country. Read about Collectivization one day, or about Solovki camps.

We did not share anything, the USSR breastfeeded the Eastern Europe for a few decades while starving its own Russian population like the proverbial reverse colony which siphons wealth from its core, and you came out really entitled. Of course, they were all so bad at economy that nobody was feeling exactly well off, but I'm not sure why you would blame that on Russians specifically, who are the main victims of the whole marxist hodge podge.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Monday May 08, 2023 @05:05PM (#35867064)
https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/07/romania-wants-new-talks...

Also For example, the Soviet Union forced Eastern European countries to sell their natural resources, such as coal, timber, and minerals, to the USSR at below-market prices. The Soviet Union also imposed production quotas on these countries, requiring them to produce certain goods and send them to the USSR. The Soviet Union often used military force to maintain control over Eastern Europe and ensure compliance with these economic policies.

Additionally, the Soviet Union controlled the banking systems and foreign trade of Eastern European countries, making it difficult for them to trade with other countries and develop their own economies. The Soviet Union also used Eastern Europe as a market for its own goods, flooding these countries with cheap Soviet-made products that undercut local industries and businesses.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by thriftwy on Monday May 08, 2023 @06:25PM (#35867740)
"sent to Moscow for safekeeping during World War I in 1916"

Russian Empire does not exist anymore, orphaned and its own gold being stolen, I would recommend you going to UK and France (allies of Russian Empire at the time) for the compensation.

I pity for your loss, I really do, but given how the Russian Empire has suffered a horrible demise I just do not understand why any money should be taken from my pocked and put into yours in the century XXI.

The rest of your comment does not sound like a description of a horrible crime. Moreover, it does sound like an entitlement.

One of the points, that the Soviet Union also sold oil and gas to Eastern Europe at below market prices. That you chose to withhold that fact highlights the whiny, intellectually disingenous attitude of Eastern Europeans.

Re:Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorshi... by simion314 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:47AM (#35870615)
We had oil, so maybe you sent it to some brother nation.

What happened is URSS planed and forced the economy of it's satellites, because they did not like Romania they tried to not allow us to have an industry and forced us to sell them resources and they would sell us stuff. Luckily we had some competent leaders with diplomatic skills(btw is diplomacy looked down upon in Russia?... ) and Romania managed to get away from URSS planned control, we even prepared for an URSS invasion and had the USA president visit, but it took decades to kick Russians out from our country and our business.

About the gold, other countries returned the gold, and it is not only gold, Russia is keeping documents, artwork , from Bulgaria too(aren't Bulgaria your brothers? ). I am sure the gold is in Putin palace but did he used the documents to fill his library too? The art might be on the walls of his palace, bunkers and yachts but if you have prove that our art, gold, documents is in UK let me see it.