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Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by AtlasBarfed on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:22AM (#35837957)
Or MASSIVE numbers of people that simply aren't working and are reconfiguring their lives to require a lot less money?

The constant downpressure on paying labor is now at the "quiet revolt" level.

The good news: if companies hate WFH, then why would they like outsourcing? It's basically the same problem, except with 3000 miles and 12 hour timeshifts and a language barrier.

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by clnq on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:40AM (#35838074)
> if companies hate WFH, then why would they like outsourcing? It's basically the same problem, except with 3000 miles and 12 hour timeshifts and a language barrier.

C-suites and shareholders don't often see this logical link. They see WFH as a temporary inconvenience during the pandemic that must be reversed. Some companies have done poorly during the pandemic, and there is pressure to get back to the "good old ways" without any root cause analysis for the poor performance. On the other hand, outsourcing is still seen as a cost-saving measure.

In short: WFH :(, outsourcing :). "Why?" is a worthless question. Good yes men don't ask "why?".

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by AHOHA on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:39AM (#35838064)
>The good news: if companies hate WFH, then why would they like outsourcing? It's basically the same problem, except with 3000 miles and 12 hour timeshifts and a language barrier.

I had similar argument with my previous employer, it was simply about “culture” and “team work dynamics” and other BS, ironically, when most of management team was allowed wfh but denied for software/engineering team

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by daveKoala on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:37AM (#35838044)
This I agree on. I'd also add based on my experience, consultancies add to the issue. After 20+ years of meddling and pushing the latest idea we are still not productive
Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by deepsun on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:59AM (#35838847)
> why would they like outsourcing?

... 3-5x less expensive.

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by carlmr on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:34AM (#35839096)
Oh it was very expensive in the last job I worked. You needed to redo everything we got back from the cheap labor there.

I automated most jobs that I was told to send there. Since due to the quality issues only the busy jobs were sent there that are faster to automate and higher quality, too.

After a few months my boss came to me and told me I need to use the outsourced staff more, since they have nothing to do.

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by deepsun on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:16PM (#35843890)
Outsourcing != bad hire. Sounds like you just did bad hires, whether that's outsourced or not is diagonal.

I'm a business owner, and we do extensive outsourcing, with a very good outcome. The trick? We outsource from our home region (where I emigrated from), so we know the market better and how to hire well.

Re:American worker productivity is declining at the fastest ... by 000ooo000 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:35AM (#35839101)
>if companies hate WFH, then why would they like outsourcing? It's basically the same problem, except with 3000 miles and 12 hour timeshifts and a language barrier.

Haha - I can't believe I've not seen this mentioned anywhere before. This is hilarious.