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Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:52PM (#35837808)
This isn't an example of harm, it's a good thing. Priests aren't employees, they take vows and ought to be responsible shepherds for their community.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by kibwen on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:56PM (#35837833)
Whether or not a priest is gay has no bearing on their ability to be a responsible shepherd for their community. It's the 21st century, leave that shit in the past.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by nyolfen on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:29AM (#35837994)
guy who has absolutely no personal attachment to or stake in a religious tradition that goes back further than his family can be traced: have you considered just abandoning it?
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:44AM (#35838102)
The whole "current year/century" bit is a stale distraction that is often used. "It's {current year} so you should adopt X trendy standard" doesn't hold water. It is, as you point out, an attempt by people who no belief to try to get people to completely adopt their arbitrary viewpoint as if the current century changes morality.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by throwaway290 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:09AM (#35838226)
Church is part of culture. Culture evolves. How about gender segregated education, do you want to bring it back?
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:34AM (#35838362)
> How about gender segregated education, do you want to bring it back?

Yes, that would be ideal.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by throwaway290 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:31AM (#35838668)
How far back into the past do you want to force society and culture to revert?
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by anonymouskimmer on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:46AM (#35838428)
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/18/secondary-...

> Girls are far more likely to thrive, get GCSEs and stay in education if they go to a single-sex school, according to new research, which reveals pupils who are struggling academically when they start secondary school reap the biggest rewards of girls-only schooling.

> The analysis of the GCSE scores of more than 700,000 girls taught in the state sector concludes that those at girls' schools consistently made more progress than those in co-ed secondaries.

> The fact that pupils with the lowest test scores when they started secondary made the biggest leap in girls' school will reopen the debate about whether more children should have access to a single-sex education in order to drive up results.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by throwaway290 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:35AM (#35838684)
This is not for religious reasons.

And if talking about UK then there are even more instances in which the church embraced cultural evolution.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by anonymouskimmer on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:11PM (#35842708)
Religion was not the sole reason girls were originally excluded from education. And like race, religion was also not the only original reason that when group schooling was made available to girls and women it was in segregated schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-sex_education

And not all Catholic schools segregate by sex.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by throwaway290 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @05:24AM (#35849535)
The discussion is about religion and how it is silly to say that church can ignore culture around. Segregated higher ed is a random example I thought where catholicism got on with the times (I thought it was a church thing). Another example is contraceptive use.

I didn't mention discrimination against women at all, I don't know enough about catholicism to say if it was a thing.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by sterlind on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:59AM (#35838851)
We could bring back indulgences, geocentrism, the inquisition and the children's crusade if you'd prefer.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @09:56AM (#35841433)
Indulgences never went away.

The geocentrism-related issues commonly cited were due to flaws both in scientific and theological thinking (false theological justifications of novel assertions, among other things).

The inquisition was just and I would have no issue with it returning in catholic countries. The picture people have is often based on black legends rather than fact.

The crusades (generally, with some exceptions) were good, but for practical reasons it's not really feasible to engage in again in a way that would not bring about greater harms.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by bippihippi1 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @03:50AM (#35839160)
I think the point is that bigotry is not supported by the bible, but by ancient bigots. good christians understand that people who use the bible to justify spreading hate are not good christians.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @09:58AM (#35841453)
"Bigotry" and "spreading hate" are meaningless terms in this context. Bigotry is defined as "making moral claims contrary to certain modern ones which I subscribe to" and "hate" is used to mean "not supporting [immoral] actions which I support".
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by FactKnower69 on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:22AM (#35838303)
oh my god tradcaths are such unbelievable dweebs
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:05AM (#35837863)
It absolutely does, a Catholic priest cannot be a good shepherd if he's engaging in such depravity. The "21st century" doesn't change the truth, gravely immoral acts will always remain such (murder and rape, for example, won't become moral in the 23rd century). A priest "signs up" for being held to certain standards, they aren't entitled to not be held to the standards they vow to uphold, maintain, and teach.
Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by anonymouskimmer on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:20AM (#35837939)
I'm not Catholic, but from what I understand, Catholic priests are forbidden marriage, extramarital sex, and sodomy on top of that. Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that.

Hmm. I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by TheFreim on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:36AM (#35838037)
> Being on a dating or hookup app is evidence of temptation, but in itself no more than that.

This could be true, merely having an application doesn't mean someone is continuing on to do other things. The problem is that a priest isn't understood in a Catholic context merely be a private person. Publicly going on one of these "dating" applications and identifying oneself in such a manner lends itself towards the sin of scandal among other issues.

> I do wonder if any of the priests were on these apps to try to identify any other priests who were on there, not because they themselves were gay.

This would need need to be considered, but it seems unlikely. First, this idea is highly unlikely since without data analysis (which was done by the group discussed iirc) you're essentially exposing yourself to material you find objectionable go a goal that has minimal practical likelihood of being successful. On top of that, the kind of priest who would want to expose bad behavior isn't the kind of person who would ever considering using these applications. Also, if my memory serves me from when I first heard about this, data/information was simply referred to the relevant bishop who in turn would choose if/how to proceed.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by anonymouskimmer on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:42AM (#35838084)
I definitely understand why other commenters here are opposed to this, but I also understand why you and like-minded commenters find this a good thing.

I hope those bishops respond appropriately.

Thanks for the comment.

Re:TikTok tracked users who watched gay content, prompting e... by briga on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:18AM (#35838613)
I'm going to assume you're saying this in good faith and aren't really familiar the gay community as a whole. If you were you would know that it contains plenty of intelligent, kind and deeply moral people. Either way the moral high ground you're standing on here is an illusion. Individuals are not groups, and you cannot rightly judge an individual based on stereotypes about that group.