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Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by nomel on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:44PM (#35823609)
What would you see as a better term/phrase?
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by ajcp on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:30PM (#35823924)
Guessing.

When we give information we don't know to be true -which is what the model does when it builds low confidence tokens on each other- we call it guessing. Why would this be any different?

Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by eximius on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:35PM (#35823972)
Guessing has a very mild implication of thought or estimation from a model of understanding of the subject in question.

Hallucination, on the other hand, is evocative of a less reasonable/rational source.

Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by omneity on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:39PM (#35824333)
That would actually be an educated guess or a guesstimate. A guess is as good as any.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by eximius on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:15AM (#35825157)
Maybe strictly definitionally, but comparing the connotations of the two, I assume people don't actually truly randomly guess.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by duckmysick on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:08AM (#35826560)
Isn't that anthropomorphic too? It's humans doing guessing, not objects.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by jfghi on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:49PM (#35823641)
Not sure as I’m not yet familiar enough with the types of errors occurring. I do think a somewhat more accurate and possibly technical set of terms would be more useful for discussions about it though than hallucination.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by jameshart on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:54PM (#35824076)
They're not errors.

These are token prediction models. Their token predictions are accurate, insofar as the probabilities of those tokens in those sequences being representative of the kind of thing they were trained on.

Is it plausible that a document exists that explains that George Washington was actually an amateur magician? How is a GPT model to know that that is not the document it is predicting the next tokens for? Why wouldn't it explain that he used to perform for children's parties, and do tricks involving making doves and rabbits appear?

Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by SrslyJosh on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:22PM (#35824577)
Exactly right. These are statistical models that operate at a completely different level of abstraction from the human brain: tokens/words/etc for text models, and individual (or perhaps small groups) of pixels for image models. Plausible output is obtained through sheer brute-force, and there is no mechanism to correct what we perceive as errors.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by ancaster on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:47PM (#35823625)
confabulation
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by cloudking on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:28PM (#35823919)
Tripping
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by rolodato on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:04PM (#35823770)
Bugs, faults, errors
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by quickthrower2 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:53PM (#35823674)
Bullshitting

Or "high-loss example"

Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by LordDragonfang on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:29PM (#35832465)
Bullshit implies active intent to deceive about your level of knowledge/understanding. In other words, it's even more anthropomorphic.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by quickthrower2 on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:24PM (#35835843)
Yes I agree now. "High loss example" while not catchy might be closer. Although it is a bit backwards as you only think about creating the target once you sense the answer is not great.
Re:Fixing Hallucination with Knowledge Bases by pmoriarty on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:46PM (#35824382)
Mistakes