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Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by mastazi on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:53PM (#35810684)
> but it doesn't need to be for an interoperable ecosystem.

what you described above doesn't guarantee that the ecosystem is interoperable. With passwords, there is no way for the service provider to hide the cleartext password from you, this is inherent to the way passwords work. With passkey, a service provider could decide to hide the private keys from you, effectively locking you into their ecosystem, and there is nothing you could do to avoid this.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by dwaite on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @11:45PM (#35810964)
I don't know what a service provider is in this case for sure, but I'll assume you mean something like Google Password Manager or iCloud Keychain or 1Password.

There's no guarantee that they will act in a user-beneficial manner, except they all already exist and already act in a user beneficial manner, and that there is no strategic benefit of acting in a user-hostile manner.

> With passwords, there is no way for the service provider to hide the cleartext password from you

Sure there is. They could refuse to do anything but form fill the passwords on registration and authentication pages, where the field in the browser will not allow you to copy the password back out.

The force that keeps them from doing such user-hostile behavior for lock-in today is that nobody would want to use that system. They would not use that vendor. It would be product suicide.

> effectively locking you into their ecosystem, and there is nothing you could do to avoid this.

Unlike passwords, sites are encouraged to allow you to register multiple passkeys. Some sites may push the user to do this for convenience, such as if they see user utilizing a security key or phone to authenticate into their desktop when the desktop is capable of doing passkeys directly.

This gives a whole new ability to jump ship if you decide you don't like your software vendor.

Now, there is a parallel question of "what if a vendor uses their monopolistic power to prevent an ecosystem from being created, and then acts in a user-malicious manner". I suspect they would quickly get multi-national scrutiny.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:36AM (#35816046)
I just migrated from password to passkey on my iPhone as a Google user. This logged me out of Chome on my Mac computers. Chrome prompted me to login with my Apple passkey, and then generated a new passkey for my Chrome browsers (which will sync between them). I now have access from both Google and Apple ecosystems to my Google account.
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by lima on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:54PM (#35818510)
WebAuthn is a standard. From what I understood, can use any third-party authenticator like a YubiKey instead of Google's implementation.
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by mastazi on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:27PM (#35824271)
That could work for the HN crowd, most people don't know about YubiKey. They will start using Google's implementation and realise too late that they're locked in.
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by mastazi on Monday May 08, 2023 @07:58PM (#35868560)
> can use any third-party authenticator

You can, but most people won't because they will be locked-in, this is not the case with passwords as it's quite easy to change password manager without having to reset all your passwords.