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Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by pphysch on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:39PM (#35804484)
> theres a million ways to provide this functionality without relying on vendor lock in. they are pretty much working as a mini certificate authority/vendor.

Identity systems aren't too technically difficult, the challenge is properly rolling them out and getting mass adoption. Which means getting vendors/users on board. It's a problem solved by power and politics, not technological innovation.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by sparkie on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @06:28PM (#35808665)
I recall Mozilla tried something similar around a decade ago, which was a good solution but didn't get any adoption. There's also been approaches like OpenID which were once popular, where you can have a single login, but they have the problem of third-parties aggregating the sites you visit. Who uses OpenID today? It's all been replaced by facebook or google login.

Part of the difficulty of using secure credentials is sharing them between devices. It's easier to involve a third-party like Google who can do this for you. The big-tech doesn't actually want to solve the problem entirely because they want some form of control: Either locking you into their service, or aggregating the sites you log into, or both.

They also want your biometrics, and keep pushing the narrative that biometrics are for authentication, but biometrics should only represent identity, not authority.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by pphysch on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @06:55PM (#35808939)
> They also want your biometrics, and keep pushing the narrative that biometrics are for authentication, but biometrics should only represent identity, not authority.

What does "authority" mean here?

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by sparkie on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:00PM (#35808985)
The user giving authority to access their information.

Biometrics are not it. Anyone can forcefully grab your finger and place it onto your phone screen. They can hold the phone up to your face.

Secure keys or passwords (actual authority) are only vulnerable to rubber-hose cryptanalysis, but you can use plausibly deniable measures to reduce the risk.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by pphysch on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:15PM (#35809114)
I don't see the fundamental difference between stealing/spoofing someone's biometrics vs. their secrets.

Both are bits of data stored in the body (including mind and pockets) that suggest the owner is giving consent.

They both have flaws, but what are the alternatives?

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by sparkie on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:38PM (#35809322)
The bios represent identity.

The mind provides authority.

Use both!

But don't mix them up.

I think a better solution for authentication is a combination of a cryptographic key or seed and a passphrase held in the mind. Keys could be provided by an NFC ring, which should be more difficult to lose or have stolen than a phone.