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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by pastacacioepepe on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:27PM (#35765251)
There was in fact a small reaction[0][1] and it's naive to think that the espionage systems and efforts USA and European countries have are in any way comparable.

> Because they're all doing it too. Any attempts at retaliation what have been hypocritical and met with callouts.

Source? I can tell you already there is none. We have plenty of evidence that the USA is spying Europe and other allies, none of the opposite.

.0: https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2014-01-...

.1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/germany-arrest...

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by nullityrofl on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:44PM (#35765390)
You mean like Europe's use of Pegasus?

https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/europe-spyware-scandal-...

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by pastacacioepepe on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:51PM (#35765446)
> Multiple European governments are using advanced surveillance tools to spy on their own people

As I've already answered you on another comment and as the very first line of the article you shared points out, Pegasus has been used for domestic espionage. The issue at hand is foreign espionage.

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by nullityrofl on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:51PM (#35765451)
Ah, you think that the EU spies on their own citizens but is above spying on allies? Allies not OK, citizens OK?

Like how Denmark helped the US spy on the EU?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/denmark-helped...

Yes, EU nations are somehow totally incapable of a thing every country is doing. That is naive.

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by pastacacioepepe on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:52PM (#35765470)
> Ah, you think that the EU spies on their own citizens but is above spying on allies?

Provide evidence please, but we both know there is none.

> Like how Denmark helped the US spy on the EU?

Yet another case of the US spying on its allies.

Edit: You keep editing your comment so it's hard to properly answer.

> Allies not OK, citizens OK?

I've already wrote you here[0] that I find both cases despicable, but we're simply talking about US foreign espionage here.

.0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35765353

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by nullityrofl on Sunday April 30, 2023 @02:56PM (#35765497)
> Yet another case of the US spying on its allies.

I'm not sure if you're being obtuse or just didn't bother reading.

Denmark was complicit in the US spying on Germany, Sweden and Norway.

https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on...

France and Germany both have admitted they have spied on the White House.

https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squar...

https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-spied-on-white-hou...

Germany has been found to helping the US spy on EU allies:

https://www.dw.com/en/parliamentary-report-finds-spying-by-b...

This is a childish and naïve stance.

Also, I'm not American. You can stop referring to me in the second person.

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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by judge2020 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @03:02PM (#35765564)
> Source? I can tell you already there is none. We have plenty of evidence that the USA is spying Europe and other allies, none of the opposite.

geopolitics 101? why would any country not have spies and passive surveillance of both enemies and allies that could one day threaten their power and economy?

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