Essentially what they’ve done is commit treason by colluding with hostile foreign powers to mutually spy on each others citizens, bypassing the pesky constitutional/charter limitations in the process.
In the right political climate we could Nuremberg trial 5 levels deep into the organizations responsible, I’m hopeful for that outcome.
Reminder: “I was just following orders/policy” wasn’t a defense then and it won’t be this time either.
If they are doing it, where's your evidence? You don't have it because otherwise, Klayman would have filed a lawsuit.
It has a well-sourced Wikipedia page for crying out loud.
But good job trying to sow doubt on a well-understood subject.
Then tell me, which document says otherwise? I've been waiting.
> Further, it’s done with the express purpose to route around laws
The law forbids the US government from asking anybody to spy on its citizens.
> But good job trying to sow doubt on a well-understood subject.
Well "understood" by conspiracy theorists. The rest of us living in reality knows this isn't happening or else we would have filed a lawsuit.
> It has a well-sourced Wikipedia page for crying out loud.
You’ll have to read most of it as well, the juicy parts are towards the bottom.
Bootlickers have the burden to prove data is not misused these days—not the other way around.
That well-sourced Wikipedia article doesn't say what you claim. Nowhere does it say the US government can access data on its own citizens from other Five Eyes countries.
The page does mention the canadian case and european fallout (though that with conflicting language).
Your premise is faulty however—that something does not exist because there’s not a court case.
- Of course they help each other, why would they even bother to get in touch otherwise?
- Of course warrants are rubber stamped.
- There’s no laws against using third party data.
- No one every gets in trouble… see Clapper lying to Congress on national TV. Oh, except the ones that speak up about the law.
They even have a technical term for it called “parallel construction.”
The important point is they get whatever they want without practical restraint. This whole subthread is an immaterial pedantic angle and waste of time, and I won’t be returning here further.
My premise is that something does not exist because there are no documents claiming it does. Snowden had the chance to leak such documents, but he did not. Despite that, you produced a conspiracy out of thin air as if Snowden had produced such documents.
> - Of course warrants are rubber stamped
Then why haven't we seen thousands of warrants to obtain data from other countries on US citizens used in prosecutions?
> Of course they help each other, why would they even bother to get in touch otherwise
They help each other by sharing intelligence in other countries, not by helping each other break their own laws.
> - There’s no laws against using third party data
Then why doesn't the government just read your email?
> This whole subthread is an immaterial pedantic angle and waste of time, and I won’t be returning here further.
The next time you post conspiracy theories on HN, I will be there.