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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:49AM (#35763700)
What mutual backscratching? No such program was in the Snowden leaks. If you're claiming that the US gets other countries to spy on its citizens, that would be utterly illegal.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by newZWhoDis on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:54AM (#35763756)
You’re correct, it would be utterly illegal and they are in fact doing it via the five eyes program (FVEY)

Essentially what they’ve done is commit treason by colluding with hostile foreign powers to mutually spy on each others citizens, bypassing the pesky constitutional/charter limitations in the process.

In the right political climate we could Nuremberg trial 5 levels deep into the organizations responsible, I’m hopeful for that outcome.

Reminder: “I was just following orders/policy” wasn’t a defense then and it won’t be this time either.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:58AM (#35763796)
> You’re correct, it would be utterly illegal and they are in fact doing it via the five eyes program (FVEY)

If they are doing it, where's your evidence? You don't have it because otherwise, Klayman would have filed a lawsuit.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by imwillofficial on Sunday April 30, 2023 @03:16PM (#35765701)
Go look into it. It’s not that hard
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:48PM (#35766909)
I did. I read the actual documents Snowden leaked instead of relying on wild conspiracy theories people conjured up out of thin air at the time the documents leaked. If you have evidence, you can file a lawsuit. You don't. You're just repeating conspiracy theories that anybody who understands the law easily spots as nonsense.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by mixmastamyk on Sunday April 30, 2023 @07:01PM (#35767351)
Those docs are not the final word. Further, it’s done with the express purpose to route around laws. There’s probably no standing to sue.

It has a well-sourced Wikipedia page for crying out loud.

But good job trying to sow doubt on a well-understood subject.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:43AM (#35769167)
> Those docs are not the final word.

Then tell me, which document says otherwise? I've been waiting.

> Further, it’s done with the express purpose to route around laws

The law forbids the US government from asking anybody to spy on its citizens.

> But good job trying to sow doubt on a well-understood subject.

Well "understood" by conspiracy theorists. The rest of us living in reality knows this isn't happening or else we would have filed a lawsuit.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by mixmastamyk on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:21PM (#35781353)
I repeat:

> It has a well-sourced Wikipedia page for crying out loud.

You’ll have to read most of it as well, the juicy parts are towards the bottom.

Bootlickers have the burden to prove data is not misused these days—not the other way around.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:14PM (#35781829)
> It has a well-sourced Wikipedia page for crying out loud

That well-sourced Wikipedia article doesn't say what you claim. Nowhere does it say the US government can access data on its own citizens from other Five Eyes countries.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by mixmastamyk on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:12PM (#35790862)
Yes, “we’ve found no wrongdoing.”

The page does mention the canadian case and european fallout (though that with conflicting language).

Your premise is faulty however—that something does not exist because there’s not a court case.

- Of course they help each other, why would they even bother to get in touch otherwise?

- Of course warrants are rubber stamped.

- There’s no laws against using third party data.

- No one every gets in trouble… see Clapper lying to Congress on national TV. Oh, except the ones that speak up about the law.

They even have a technical term for it called “parallel construction.”

The important point is they get whatever they want without practical restraint. This whole subthread is an immaterial pedantic angle and waste of time, and I won’t be returning here further.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:38PM (#35837437)
> Your premise is faulty however—that something does not exist because there’s not a court case.

My premise is that something does not exist because there are no documents claiming it does. Snowden had the chance to leak such documents, but he did not. Despite that, you produced a conspiracy out of thin air as if Snowden had produced such documents.

> - Of course warrants are rubber stamped

Then why haven't we seen thousands of warrants to obtain data from other countries on US citizens used in prosecutions?

> Of course they help each other, why would they even bother to get in touch otherwise

They help each other by sharing intelligence in other countries, not by helping each other break their own laws.

> - There’s no laws against using third party data

Then why doesn't the government just read your email?

> This whole subthread is an immaterial pedantic angle and waste of time, and I won’t be returning here further.

The next time you post conspiracy theories on HN, I will be there.