Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by h2odragon on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:01AM
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I found the treatment of Julian Assange to be the disgusting poltics; after that its just more of the same, innit?
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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by alphanullmeric on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:46AM
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No, it’s not the same because it doesn’t benefit him this time. Leftists are like libertarians, if libertarians only applied their principles to themselves. Bodily autonomy, firearm rights, private property, taxation, misinformation censorship, death penalty, etc. Whether or not they support it depends not on what it does but who it benefits, and so a left winger can never truly take a concrete position like “I support gun control” when they need to make exceptions for SRA, Natives, Palestinians, etc.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by gghhzzgghhzz on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:55AM
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Putting aside your implied definition of Leftists here.
The Palestinian point is broadly enlightening, but maybe not in the way you intended.
Armed struggle for the purpose of self determination should be materially supported in Ukraine, but not in Palestine.
This is the glowing contradiction, and I'm not sure real leftists are the most guilty party here.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by alphanullmeric on Sunday April 30, 2023 @12:00PM
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I don’t want to materially support either country.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by gghhzzgghhzz on Sunday April 30, 2023 @12:21PM
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As someone who considers themselves on the left, i have broadly the same view.
I also don't have a hard view on gun control, because if the state authorities are militarised then it's hard to argue that civil society can't be. The solution for this of course is to demilitarise the police.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by yarg on Sunday April 30, 2023 @01:39PM
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US complicity has permitted the decades long ethnic cleansing of Palestine to continue unabated.
It is truly abhorrent.
However, there's a significant difference between arming a nation under invasion, and arming religious fundamentalists.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by throwaway27391 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @03:26PM
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in the US it's flawed because you end up with a police state and only the state is armed and the party that did it is anti-police
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by gghhzzgghhzz on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:48AM
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The treatment of Assange defies belief, and the hypocrisy is off the scale.
The defense from many people who would nominally be appalled by this, seems to rest on the poor character of Assange, so he gets written off. The poor character point may or may not be correct, but is completely irrelevant, and if it relates to civil or criminal offences then it has never been allowed to be tested.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by kelipso on Sunday April 30, 2023 @01:37PM
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Also it's just insanely easy to malign the character of someone with a few well placed news articles and tweets.
Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ...
by throwaway27391 on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:47PM
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He avoided prosecution of three credible separate sexual abuse allegations by hiding in a non-extraditing country for seven years.
He's also not a whistleblower.