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Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by MrVandemar on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @11:14PM (#35722897)
To pick two highly disparate people, in your calculus 1 x Ghandi is equal to 1 x Adolf Hitler.

Now I'm pretty sure both were complex people both smaller and larger than the imprint they have on history: pretty sure Ghandi had many days when he got out of the wrong side of the bed and wasn't amazing, and probably even Hitler did some laudable stuff (history is silent on whether he ever, eg, helped an old lady across the street or similar small moments of useful behavior that most of find ourselves doing).

Anyway, I definitely know an amazing person; and I'm married to them. :-)

Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by quesera on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @11:28PM (#35722979)
> Ghandi had many days when he got out of the wrong side of the bed and wasn't amazing

Judged by modern standards, at least. Gandhi is reputed to have been a racist, misogynist, and possibly a pedophile.

> probably even Hitler did some laudable stuff

As I understand it, Adolf was kind to his dogs.

...

And Mother Theresa wasn't so awesome, either.

People are complex. Narratives and mythologies are propagated to serve a purpose.

Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by yieldcrv on Thursday April 27, 2023 @12:09AM (#35723194)
Exactly, if Hitler won this wouldn't be the message.

My understanding is that he lost and I don't agree with the industrialized killing machine he enabled or deliberately pursued.

I am capable of seeing how my understanding would be different under a different regime, where it would be merely edgy for me to evaluate the constitutional merits of an event that was merely a footnote about a gap in the census population between 1939 and 1945 and beyond.

Such is life.

Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by throwawayqwk on Thursday April 27, 2023 @12:43AM (#35723428)
Difference between Hitler and Churchil was not much. One killed millions of Jews and another killed millions of Hindus.

Who won the war decided their legacy.

Power by means is the deciding factor

Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by quesera on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:43PM (#35759278)
Both were responsible for very bad things, but the difference between them is immense.
Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by quesera on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:32PM (#35759230)
I feel like you're insinuating something absurd here, but I just can't identify the point you're trying to make.
Re:Forbes 30 Under 30 Mocked: Incredible Track Record of Fraud by jimsimmons on Thursday April 27, 2023 @12:37AM (#35723383)
Gandhi was a racist early on but throughout his life he continually grew as a person.

His non standard sex activities are known only because he himself shared all about his life with everyone. And he stopped when people pointed it out.

Gandhi by standards of his days was probably one of the least misogynistic leaders.

Lots of heroes aren’t worth worshipping. But let’s not throw the baby with the bath water.