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Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by DavidSJ on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @02:24PM (#35717984)
> … the publication of key research like LSTMs in 2014 …

Minor nitpick, but LSTMs date to 1997 and were not invented by Google. [1]

[1] Hochreiter and Schmidhuber (1997). Long short-term memory. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6795963

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by Scea91 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @02:39PM (#35718157)
Seems more than a nitpick to me. I find the essay interesting but this line raised some distrust in me. How can someone have these deep insights into Google's ML strategy and the evolution of the field and simultaneously think LSTMs were invented by Google in 2014?
Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by brilee on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @02:44PM (#35718208)
sorry, I had a mind fart. I was thinking of seq2seq https://research.google/pubs/pub43155/

Pushing the fix now...

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by DavidSJ on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @03:07PM (#35718503)
seq2seq was indeed a big deal.
Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by jll29 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @04:54PM (#35719854)
You're lucky you could push a fix before Schmidhuber [1] noticed! ;)

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.11279

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by logicchains on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @03:14PM (#35718585)
>How can someone have these deep insights into Google's ML strategy and the evolution of the field and simultaneously think LSTMs were invented by Google in 2014?

It may not have been accidental; there's a deliberate movement among some people in the ML community to deny Jürgen Schmidhuber credit for inventing LSTMs and GANs.

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by seatsniffer on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @03:54PM (#35719087)
That's something I hadn't heard about. Is there any particular reason for this?
Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by nighthawk454 on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @05:04PM (#35719985)
It's become somewhat of a meme, where Schmidhuber seemingly tries to claim credit for nearly everything. I _think_ it's because he published ideas back in the 90s or so that weren't fully executable/realized at the time, and later people figured out how to actually flesh them out do it, and supposedly didn't cite him appropriately/enough. Often the ideas weren't exactly the same - but rather he claims they're derivatives of the concept he was going for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Schmidhuber#Credit...

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by seatsniffer on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @05:12PM (#35720084)
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I'll check out the link also.
Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by sundarurfriend on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @09:59PM (#35722366)
Just to make it clear, you're hearing one side of the argument. There are also a lot of people who firmly believe that Schmidhuber was wrongfully deprived of recognition he deserved.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but the issue isn't as clear cut as your parent comment might have made it sound like.

Re:Why Did Google Brain Exist? by nighthawk454 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @03:59PM (#35733739)
Yes, thanks. Didn't intend to be one-sided. Not super versed in this subject so please everyone do your own research!