Re:Deming Paradox: Operationally Rigorous Companies Aren't N...
by moring on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @06:17AM
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> It seems to me that the point raised by moring is more like (...)
Yes, that was what I meant. It was admittedly fueled by the confusion when I started from "did I miss some major news", as well as a lack of knowledge of what "literally" means, as indicated by the other responses.
Re:Deming Paradox: Operationally Rigorous Companies Aren't N...
by bheadmaster on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @12:09PM
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Sorry for the attitude, for what it's worth. I could've phrased things a little less aggressive.
Had a rough couple of weeks and it seems it's getting the best of me.
Re:Deming Paradox: Operationally Rigorous Companies Aren't N...
by vidarh on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @08:51AM
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> I doubt that within Amazon case they were plans and orders to deliberately kill annoying employees.
I don't see anyone here say Amazon murdered (deliberately killed) people, but arguing they killed people. Kill can mean murder, which implies intent/doing so deliberately, but can also mean manslaughter, which does not require it to be deliberate.
Re:Deming Paradox: Operationally Rigorous Companies Aren't N...
by psychoslave on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @01:08PM
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Sorry as I’m not an English native, that level of languages nuances might be above what I will ever master.
To my mind, "kill" wasn’t something you might inadvertedly do, except maybe for bugs and thus small entities.
Anyway, once again, in no way I mean to play Amazon attorney here.
From a legal point of view, yes Amazon is a person, and that’s the ground on which it can be sued, unlike "Nature" that generated the tornado — though lately things started to move a bit on that side all around the world.[2,3,4,6,7,8,9]
But even that is missing the forest for the tree I think. It seems to me that the point raised by moring is more like can these words be honestly stated as accurate as when The Mail & Guardian titles "The Nigerian government is killing its citizens — again[1]". Although it can be argued that this geopolitical entity is a pure human fiction, there are actual humans that are willingly planning to kill other people.
As awful as the resulting situation might be, I doubt that within Amazon case they were plans and orders to deliberately kill annoying employees. It doesn’t mean Amazon behavior is acceptable, nor is the fact that some government have let Amazon build this situation.
[1] https://mg.co.za/africa/2020-10-21-the-nigerian-government-i...
[2] https://theselfless.org/mother-nature-a-legal-person/
[3] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transnational-enviro...
[4] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/nature-legal-personho...
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature_in_Ecuador
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature#Related_initi...
[7] https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31102022/celebrating-vict...
[8] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-46523-0_...
[9] https://asiapacific.unwomen.org/en/digital-library/publicati...