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Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by Wowfunhappy on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:46AM (#35688294)
But does your ten-year-old car have an internet-connected computer that is potentially vulnerable to malicious attackers? Note that I don't drive and know very little about cars, but my understanding was that Tesla's system was the kind of computer where software updates would be essential, and other cars less so.

(I generally think the "all out-of-date devices must be burned" mantra is a tad overblown, but they are at least somewhat dangerous in a way that non-networked computers are not.)

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by theshrike79 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:15PM (#35689537)
Teslas are essentially computers with cars built around them.

Traditional have cars and they are trying to shove computers into them.

The traditional model of upgrading infotainment software has been "lol, buy a new car" for a good quarter of a century now. But now Tesla is changing the expectations with Joe mode and Dog mode starting as someone requesting stuff from Elon and the feature appearing OTA in a matter of weeks.

Dog Mode, is still a rarity in EVs for some reason. It's a dead simple feature: "allow the heating/ac to work while car is locked, optionally display internal temperature on infotainment display so that people don't break the windows to 'rescue' the dogs".

The few that have it (Polestar and Mercedes I think) limit the usage to max 30 minutes.

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by rhn_mk1 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:50PM (#35690071)
All other things being equal, there's nothing wrong with trying to shove computers into a car.

Trouble starts when the computer is networked and therefore vulnerable to more attacks. And for networked computers, security updates are table stakes. Feature updates are merely nice.

To compare apples to apples, you need to compare Tesla to another brand of networked cars.

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by BrandoElFollito on Monday April 24, 2023 @04:22PM (#35692667)
I have a Toyota RAV4 that is networked and this is a sad joke.

Toyota lives in the 90's from a cyber technology perspective. It is so bad that I wonder how the engineers who work there can say to themselves "I did something great".

I do not know other cars but I guess this is similar.

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by JohnFen on Monday April 24, 2023 @05:42PM (#35693682)
> All other things being equal, there's nothing wrong with trying to shove computers into a car.

I think that's preferable. That Teslas are "computers with a car built around them" that phone home to the mothership and get automatic updates is the main reason why I will never buy a Tesla.

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by Reason077 on Monday April 24, 2023 @07:04PM (#35694432)
> "The few that have it (Polestar and Mercedes I think) limit the usage to max 30 minutes."

Huh? So what happens after 30 minutes? The car heats up and the dog cooks?!

Re:Tesla tries to get owners to give up ‘unlimited free Supe... by theshrike79 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @01:14AM (#35723572)
The AC just stops. I think some brands send you a notification on your phone.

There are no technical reasons not to have the ac/heating run longer, they just decided to cap it to an arbitrary 30 minutes.