Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by rkangel on Friday April 21, 2023 @05:58AM
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It's a different metric but it is generally accepted that F1 cars have reached an overall thermal efficiency of 50%, which is cool. This is taking into account energy recovery from kinetic (regenerative braking) and thermal sources (from the turbo).
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by zamnos on Friday April 21, 2023 @08:49AM
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KERS is neat and all, but factoring that into ICE engine efficiency seems a bit like cheating, since there's now also 2 MJ battery on board F1 cars.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by littlestymaar on Friday April 21, 2023 @06:08AM
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note that this is true for spark ignition engines, but not all ICE, diesel engines can reach higher efficiency and there are even real diesel engines with almost 50% efficiency[1], obviously not in cars though.
[1]: https://engineerine.com/meet-wartsila-31-worlds-most-efficie...
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by osigurdson on Friday April 21, 2023 @07:30AM
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Most power generation facilities are natural gas fired, using large aero derivitive gas turbine engines (essentially the same engine that is in the 747 - LM6000 vs CF6 for example) with a combined cycle steam turbine to capture the energy from excess heat. This arrangement has a thermodynamic efficiency of 60%. Even with electrical transmission losses, the efficiency is still far better (1.7X) than having the power plant located under the hood of the car.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by zamnos on Friday April 21, 2023 @08:27AM
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Not to mention, policing one large facility for compliance with emissions is much easier than trying to monitor every single one of millions of cars on the road.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by Consultant32452 on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:15AM
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It's much easier to regulate millions of nobodies with no power than it is to regulate a single wealthy donor.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by osigurdson on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:39PM
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Even with a car, you aren’t necessarily regulating millions of individuals - primarily just manufacturers. I suppose there is the odd case where “old joe” removed his catalytic converter and is polluting more than others but that is probably rare.
I don’t get your point on centralization however - more efficient but less robust (just like in software).
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by osigurdson on Friday April 21, 2023 @08:50PM
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Correction - I do get your point
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug...
by Consultant32452 on Saturday April 22, 2023 @03:30PM
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For necessarily centralized industries like car manufacturing the regulations are written to protect the wealthy incumbents competition more than to protect consumers.
I fell down a rabbit hole and found this link, which gives 46% for the theoretical limit for the efficiency of the internal combustion engine.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/98966/maximum-th...