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Re:Eric Ries explains the 5 why's in three minutes by kevingadd on Tuesday February 07, 2012 @11:18PM (#3565016)
If it's common sense why do so many companies fail at identifying and addressing root causes? If making it a process with a name that's rigidly followed isn't the solution, what is?

It's not a complicated process that requires certification. It's simple enough to be described completely in three minutes.

I'd also love to see an example of a problem you've encountered that is actually pure technology, since virtually all modern technology is created and maintained by humans. I've run into lots of crazy hardware and software problems, but pretty much all of them had a human involved here or there that could help make things better.

Re:Eric Ries explains the 5 why's in three minutes by moe on Tuesday February 07, 2012 @11:53PM (#3565108)
If it's common sense why do so many companies fail at identifying and addressing root causes?

One failure that I see very frequently is that the analysis reliably stops at the invisible line between the trenches and the management.

I.e. the people-problems are very well identified by everyone in the room, but nobody feels like calling out the guy who sits on the other end of the table in your next "performance review". It just doesn't seem like a good idea.

This is something that I'd like to see people like Eric talk about.

Because either I live in my own personal bubble here or that is a much more common problem than people not knowing how to trace back a technical issue to people and processes.

In fact, every engineer I know could sing you a song about it. But again, perhaps I really just happen to live in a particular bubble far away from Harvard...

Re:Eric Ries explains the 5 why's in three minutes by kevingadd on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @12:07AM (#3565160)
That's a really fair point, but it's also not a problem unique to any particular technique or process. There is literally nothing you can do via process to protect yourself from bad or actively harmful management. Your only choice is to try and drive them out of the company, or leave.

Maybe the problem is that 5Ys worked great and seemed like a nice process improvement because we had healthy management. I think the reality is - the unhealthy managers who could really benefit from Eric telling them how to be better managers? They're never going to go anywhere near HN or the Harvard Business Review.

Re:Eric Ries explains the 5 why's in three minutes by davidw on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @04:30AM (#3565887)
"Things basically work in our company because we have good people from the top on down" doesn't make for catchy business books though.
Re:Eric Ries explains the 5 why's in three minutes by billpatrianakos on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @01:08AM (#3565359)
Maybe we're trying to identify, or dare I say create problems that don't really exist. If its simple enough to describe in three minutes then I'd say it's very close to being common sense. What I see when I watch that video is someone trying to make a simple thing complicated. Do you really need five Why's? I think there are 4 superfluous Why's in that process. Eric Ries has the experience and education to talk about this stuff but at a certain point, after anyone has been out of the trenches long enough, they start to lose touch. This to me seems like an example of someone who once knew what was up now having nothing better to do than over think something as simple as "Ask Why something went wrong" and turn it into "Ask why something went wrong in 5 different ways" even though asking Why just once will suffice. Now, you asked why so many companies fail at identifying and addressing root causes. Well, why don't we apply the 5 Why's and see if we can find out?