Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:57PM
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The C919 and C929 both fly with western avionics and jet engines, so they aren’t really that far off from airbus and Boeing, and don’t really bring anything new to the table beyond more competition from China in putting everything together.
Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by rippercushions on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:05PM
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They're building their own engine as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACAE_CJ-1000A
I agree that the C919/929 pose no threat as is, but the Chinese are clearly playing the long game here and their massive domestic market coupled with government arm-twisting lets them scale: the C919 has already racked up over 1000 orders.
Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:23PM
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China is still at least 20 years behind on jet turbines. They can get the power or economy (in terms of use time/overhaul), but not both at the same time. Jet turbines are hard to reverse engineer, and you really just have to put the time in on materials engineering.
Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by elzbardico on Thursday April 20, 2023 @12:51PM
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Probably the Chinese will have to rely on some derivative of the Russian PD-14 engine.
It is very probable that the chinese will lose access to western engines due to sanctions in the not so remote future, and their indigenous projects are still very far behind the state of art in jet engines.
Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by throwaway2037 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:44AM
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That said, watching the Comac C919 shitshow (14 years and still not in revenue service, and this is for a 737/A320 clone), I'm not holding my breath.
This is true, but this is also a command economy. They can do that for a long time. At least 10 more years with gov't support. They'll get there eventually, plus the order book is essentially infinitely large because gov't will immediately force all domestic carriers to cancel foreign orders and only buy Comac C919. I am guessing it can handle 100% of internal flights (size / distance / etc.)
Re:How Qantas is bringing back Airbus A380s from the Califor...
by midoridensha on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:53AM
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It's too bad Mitsubishi has basically given up too. It'd be nice to see more competition to Boeing/Airbus, especially after the 737MAX debacle. I'd have a lot more trust in a Japanese-built aircraft than a new Boeing, and I'm sure many others would too.
Watching the Comac C919 shitshow though (14 years and still not in revenue service, and this is for a 737/A320 clone), I'm not holding my breath. The twin-aisle C929 is still a decade away at best, and it'll take a good long time until any Western airline trusts it; even Chinese turboprops (Xian MA-60/600/700) have so far only managed to find buyers in Africa and the poorer bits of Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRAIC_CR929